What are the hardest to find Red Rifles in Canada?

pres717 said:
Velmets being used by many Inuit in the Canadian North.
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Valmet. VALMET. V-A-Lmet. Unless I've been spelling it wrong for 30 years, I'm pretty sure it's spelled with an 'A'.;)

Anyhow back to reason for my reply:

Hmmm. This is about the 5th time this Native/Inuit thing has been brought up on the board. The other times, CGN'ers have stated that this was the precedent as to why it (The VALMET family/series) wasn't put on the Prohib list with AK's. Is there any actual proof, or an actual source (goverment report/charter challenge, etc) to put truth to this? Or is this just conjecture, or a "my-uncles-friend-who-knows-a-guy-who-used-to-be-a-friend-to-an-RCMP/Northerner/Game Warden-told-a-guy-I-know-at-work" kinda thing?

I assume you mean the "Hunter" models? Not the M-series (62/76/78 etc)?

Not flaming you Prez, just wondering. I used to travel the North quite a bit, and don't think I ever saw a VALMET, in the hands of an Inuit hunter. Now a Norc56S in the hands of a Dogrib or Dene caribou hunter (in the "southern part" or the NW Territory before '92), yes, but never a VALMET. They've never been 'affordable' in the sense of the word. Not like a Enfield, Winchester, Savage, Ruger, or Chinese AK.

Anyhow, if anyone could shed some light on where this info came from, it'd be great.
 
There was an unknown quantity of those purchased by the Canadian government intended to be distributed to Inuits. I never did find out how many there were, or if they were in fact distributed as "planned".

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3686143&postcount=51

Here you go, direct quote from an official Government document indicating use of Valmet by Inuit communities.

navoraosv said:
Hmmm. This is about the 5th time this Native/Inuit thing has been brought up on the board. The other times, CGN'ers have stated that this was the precedent as to why it (The VALMET family/series) wasn't put on the Prohib list with AK's. Is there any actual proof, or an actual source (goverment report/charter challenge, etc) to put truth to this? Or is this just conjecture, or a "my-uncles-friend-who-knows-a-guy-who-used-to-be-a-friend-to-an-RCMP/Northerner/Game Warden-told-a-guy-I-know-at-work" kinda thing?

I assume you mean the "Hunter" models? Not the M-series (62/76/78 etc)?

Not flaming you Prez, just wondering. I used to travel the North quite a bit, and don't think I ever saw a VALMET, in the hands of an Inuit hunter. Now a Norc56S in the hands of a Dogrib or Dene caribou hunter (in the "southern part" or the NW Territory before '92), yes, but never a VALMET. They've never been 'affordable' in the sense of the word. Not like a Enfield, Winchester, Savage, Ruger, or Chinese AK.

Anyhow, if anyone could shed some light on where this info came from, it'd be great.
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Anytime, although if you're thinking FOIA I have a feeling that there are many such requests "pending" already.

Good luck though, let us know what you find out.

I would also suggest that you look up references to the Valmet in the Canada Gazette, it is quite .... Interesting ... Especially since there are many, many AK "variants" currently deemed prohibited that share the very same features as those specified to make the case that the Valmet is a "sporting rifle" rather than a "paramilitary assault weapon".

navoraosv said:
Thanks RobSmith! That's what I was looking for! Appreciate it. Gives me a starting spot to do a little more digging!
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Some words on Albanian SKS - or as otherwise called mod 56 rifle.
The production numbers and even their production place was (an open) secret, however the 16000 number mentioned here might be close. Their production was initiated in a time of brotherly relationships with China (mid 70’s) therefore the blueprints and general ideation were taken from Chinese production. The lines of production, equipments, tools etc were however imported from Sweden, because the relationships with China were not so brotherly anymore (late 70’s). Although every effort was made towards the quality of these guns they didn’t enjoy the reputation of the Russian made SKS.
During tumults in 1997, those guns (along with many other) were freely on the streets and were later trafficked mainly towards Kosovo. In 2002 UNIDIR, started a program Weapons for Development promoting community-based development projects in exchange for guns. Now guess what; the people which had stolen basically everything from the military arsenal, SKS, Kalashnikovs, heavy 12.7mm machine guns, RPG’s etc, were keeping their Kalashnikovs and were bringing back everything else (including SKS). I believe those guns were later destroyed, so that the actual number of Albanian made SKS’s in circulation is minimal.
 
RobSmith said:
Anytime, although if you're thinking FOIA I have a feeling that there are many such requests "pending" already.

Good luck though, let us know what you find out.

I would also suggest that you look up references to the Valmet in the Canada Gazette, it is quite .... Interesting ... Especially since there are many, many AK "variants" currently deemed prohibited that share the very same features as those specified to make the case that the Valmet is a "sporting rifle" rather than a "paramilitary assault weapon".
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I'd love to see someone on CGN get to the bottom of this too.

From the sounds of that entry, it almost sounds as if a canadian manufacturer could re-manufacture matching models for a release of a legal AK variant in canada, as this model is deemed non-prohib specifically?
 
Curtton said:
noticeable differences to the chinese would be carrier, mag and extra long stock and wood on the top cover .

very nice eos.
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Also another notable difference to the Albanian is the 2 holes in the butt plate. One for a cleaning kit and another for a skinny oil bottle that fit in the other rather than a rounded one like the other countries. More info on the Albanian SKS's can be found here: h ttp://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?board=6.0
 
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