Killing some of them I suspect.
TV archery hunts, mostly canned?
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Killing some of them I suspect.
Why would they need to be bigger to kill?
I hope you are just being obtuse norskie and not really this out of touch with hunting in this province. There's all kinds of things that motivate people to kill big deer. Some just love hunting big deer. Some get paid for putting their clients on big deer. Some love to win competitions with their deer. I'm sure there is no end to the motivation. My only point was that it's going on in Alberta and that for you not to realize that seemed pretty naive. Drop the sharade and maybe we can have a real discussion about things that pertain to hunting in Alberta. I'm all for good discussion.
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There are farms that raise deer like livestock, then they sell the big mature bucks to the game farms for top dollar. A monster buck can go for over $10,000.
The game farms release them on there fenced in property like a pheasant farm. They feed them with bait piles and monitor them with game camera's. Big Shot Pro-Hunter selects the buck he likes from the game cam pictures and sits over the bait, bang, dead buck...super hero trophy hunter....this is the formula.
The game farms release them on there fenced in property like a pheasant farm. They feed them with bait piles and monitor them with game camera's. Big Shot Pro-Hunter selects the buck he likes from the game cam pictures and sits over the bait, bang, dead buck...super hero trophy hunter....this is the formula.
No doubt but there are more and more operations that don't have high fences that rely on planting crops and carefully managing their property and large tracts of leased property to keep deer on their property. This low fence QDM is becoming almost the norm in the mid west U.S.A. These are the ones so prevelant on the archery TV shows out of the US.
Just seeing if you would come clean or not.
I thought perhaps you didn't have it in you, thanks for the answer.
For further reference, a good discussion is where folks share ideas, not where a troll baits to inflate his own ego.
Glad you have this figured out
I will leave it to you - the expert on the QDM in the province of Alberta.
Just seeing if you would come clean or not.
I thought perhaps you didn't have it in you, thanks for the answer.
For further reference, a good discussion is where folks share ideas, not where a troll baits to inflate his own ego.
Glad you have this figured out
Huh?
All I said was they exist. How is that trolling or baiting or inflating an ego. It's a simple fact. What is there to come clean on....I just said it exists and it does. Or are you saying it doesn't? Low fence QDM is alive and well in Alberta. Putting your head in the sand or calling me names won't make it go away. I'm not expert on it but I do know it exists.
Just seeing if you would come clean or not.
I thought perhaps you didn't have it in you, thanks for the answer.
For further reference, a good discussion is where folks share ideas, not where a troll baits to inflate his own ego.
Glad you have this figured out
WTF?
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Just seeing if you would come clean or not.
I thought perhaps you didn't have it in you, thanks for the answer.
For further reference, a good discussion is where folks share ideas, not where a troll baits to inflate his own ego.
Glad you have this figured out
I don't think that sheephunter is the troll here
Low-Fence QDM is alive and well in most places and if done correctly I fully support it.
Managing deer can lead to better and more hunting oppurtunities in alot of places.
Unfortunately money is a necessity in order to be successful in most areas and as such it can limit oppurtunities, this is what you are seeing on WildTV, folks who can manage an area and produce large deer in good numbers. That being said I'm sure alot of the shows use High-fenced areas, I let my subscription expire because I got tired of seeing a half hour show composed only of killshots and gear ads.
I don't think that sheephunter is the troll here
Low-Fence QDM is alive and well in most places and if done correctly I fully support it.
Managing deer can lead to better and more hunting oppurtunities in alot of places.
Unfortunately money is a necessity in order to be successful in most areas and as such it can limit oppurtunities, this is what you are seeing on WildTV, folks who can manage an area and produce large deer in good numbers. That being said I'm sure alot of the shows use High-fenced areas, I let my subscription expire because I got tired of seeing a half hour show composed only of killshots and gear ads.
I am speaking of Alberta here - not Ontario.
And as it stands the law in Alberta states you can not charge for access to your land, and you can not sell wildlife.
If folks are doing that they are breaking the law, and although I have heard rumors that this is happening I have not had any confirmation.
I guess I was looking for some evidence of what QDM were being practiced in Alberta and specific examples.
Sorry for the confusion.
QDM and charging for access are two completely different issues. I know of two farms in Alberta that I would consider QDM and in both cases there is no commercial enterprise at all. I've also see some outfitter's private farms that would seem to fall under the definition of QDM. As you say, I'm sure there is a financial side to QDM for many but I wouldn't say they necessarily go hand in hand. I've never heard rumours of QDM farms charging for access but I'm not so naive as to believe it's not possible. As it stands in Alberta right now, low fence QDM is in no way illegal, for the average joe hunter or the enterprising outfitter but yes, charging for access would be. Seems to me you are confusing two seperate issues.
Not really - QDM has been here if you consider the loosest definition for eons. There were likely farmers who like to see pheasants and deer around long before you or I were on the scene. I remember the guys that used to leave the old farm yards and a swather width of crop near the ditches etc.
Thanks for clarifying though - I think I understand where you are coming from.
This is much more than liking a few deer around. It's managing a specific plot of land, often large in size, specifically for deer. There is no livestock involved and typically these QDM farms have very specialized crops designed for maximum deer numbers and antler growth. It's big business selling the seed for these crops and in the U.S. it's big business leasing land to manage as QDM...no livestock allowed. I'm not sure you fully appreciate the scope of low fence QDM and the potential ramifications down the road to Alberta hunters. You can trivialize it as you did above or be concerned about the ramifications this could hold for the average Alberta hunter. You'd be doing yourself a favour to learn more.
I am aware of QDM in the US open market, where your suggestions happen freely. Field and stream had a great article on this several months ago that showed how QDM was received and implemented in different American states.
Very interesting - and the implications in those instances (where a more commercialized system is in place) are indeed interesting and some of the comments from folks talking about it were largely due to the lack of animal density to support large harvests based on limited supply. So in that instance guys that want to hunt thought it was great.
I don't think I am trivializing it sheep, quite the opposite actually. That is why a person needs to think of "deer production" and the commercialization of wildlife (eg paid hunting) in the same breath. There is no requirement for the development of large and or high numbers of deer if there is not a market.
I guess I am still looking for the specific examples of what you suggest here in Alberta - places that are managing for deer exclusive of domestic livestock and what there purpose for doing this is.
Glad to hear you are concerned norski......I wasn't sure. I only brought it up because it's something that is going to be more prevelant in the future and will undoubtedly effect hunting opportunity.
As for examples, I've given several. Some with a commercial aspect (outfitting) and some just deer nuts. I'm not sure what else you think I know but I don't. I've seen the QDM farms around and I've read the literature, they are here. Some aspects of it definitely worry me. Paid hunting isn't the first thing that came to my mind but loss of access to private property sure was but perhaps you are right. Either way, productive discussion should be continued.
As for examples, I've given several. Some with a commercial aspect (outfitting) and some just deer nuts. I'm not sure what else you think I know but I don't. I've seen the QDM farms around and I've read the literature, they are here. Some aspects of it definitely worry me. Paid hunting isn't the first thing that came to my mind but loss of access to private property sure was but perhaps you are right. Either way, productive discussion should be continued.
Yeah - the first time I visited Bass Pro it was a wake-up call as to how commercialized American hunting is - much of the product there proves it.
I wish the focus would move towards habitat retention, and ways to make it attractive for landowners to restore habitat. It would likely be more beneficial to all species.
