Where were some of the places the Canadian military did weapons R&D during the wars?

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Where were some of the places the Canadian military did weapons R&D during the wars?

Where were some of the places the Canadian military did weapons R&D during the wars?

I know the U.S. has a long list of sites/companies that were involved in the higher level weapons R&D, but beyond regular arms factory mass production, what were some of the canadian companies and locations that were involved in advanced (for the time) weapons R&D during world war 1, 2, and possibly even the cold war?

Curious to see some of the projects/places that come up.
 
the old cadet camp at vernon, b/c - when those dug-outs or whatever you called them were there- also shilo- it all depends aon what LEVEL of r&d you're talking about- the guys in the lab coats or the guys in uniform-and certain parts of suffield "smell funny" to this day
 
the old cadet camp at vernon, b/c - when those dug-outs or whatever you called them were there- also shilo- it all depends aon what LEVEL of r&d you're talking about- the guys in the lab coats or the guys in uniform-and certain parts of suffield "smell funny" to this day

Curious on advanced projects in general, be it stuff like bio/chem warfare, or advanced munitions and firearms design or development. Anything that wasn't considered run-of-the-mill front line equipment, but rather stuff that was intended to be next-generation and still very much in development stages.
 
Agent Orange (along with the other Agent colours) were tested at CFB Gagetown. Some of those areas are still barren and off limits.

If you search around you'll find recent "compensation" announcements for those affected by the testing.
 
What was done here?

DND to start removing thousands of ammunition shells from lakeFor almost 50 years, the Department of National Defence pounded Lac St. Pierre, near Trois-Rivieres, Que., with shells as big as 155 millimetres -- the size of a big fire log -- to test its ammunition.
By CanWest News Service September 9, 2007

For almost 50 years, the Department of National Defence pounded Lac St. Pierre, near Trois-Rivieres, Que., with shells as big as 155 millimetres -- the size of a big fire log -- to test its ammunition.

The area has been dubbed a minefield and DND maintains a year round "caution zone," including floating signs on the lake, to advise boaters and others users of the danger of ordnance lurking underwater.

Local residents have been lobbying DND for years to remove an estimated 8,000 live shells from the lake's bottom. And they finally have a first victory.

After years of delay, DND has launched a program to clean the lake that is a major stopover for migrating waterfowl in eastern Canada, and a UNESCO biosphere reserve for its bird population and pristine vegetation.

"It's very paradoxical," says Philippe Giroul, the leader of a local lobby group of some 2,500 residents. "The site is protected for birds, but it's not always safe for residents."

Twenty-five years ago tragedy hit a Lac St. Pierre beach when a shell, mistaken for an old pipe, was thrown in a campfire. It exploded and killed Pierre Gentes and wounded nine others.

Gentes' brothers Francois and Paul have been fighting ever since to get the military to clean the beaches and the lake.

"We want to send a note of caution to the population. They still have to be very careful," said Paul Gentes.

Every year, especially in the spring, when ice can move the shells, and the summer, when the water is low, shells are found on the beach or in the water. Only two weeks ago, two shells were found.

Jean-Francois Mathieu, coordinator of a group called ZIP that does shoreline sweeps in the area, said the shell found by his team looked like a "big metal log with a sharp end."

Lac St. Pierre, a broadening of the St. Lawrence River between Montreal and Quebec, still holds 300,000 artillery shells and an estimated 8,000 of them could still carry an explosive charge.

More than 500,000 projectiles were fired into the lake, starting in 1952 when the army chose to install its munitions experimental test centre in Nicolet, because of its proximity to ammunition factories in the two larger Quebec cities.

Nicolet was used to test ammunition ranging in calibre from 20 millimetre to 155 millimetre and the firing range covered an area of about 160 square kilometres.

It wasn't until 2000 that the firing into the lake stopped. DND continues to test ammunition in Nicolet, but it is now aimed at stop butts, dirt and concrete mounds. Giroul is happy with DND's move to go ahead with the cleanup. "It's a great victory. We have been waiting for that for 17 years and we can't wait for the actual cleanup to start. But it's going to be long," says Giroul.

The removal of some of the lake's shells -- not all, since it's practically impossible -- will take some five to seven years. But it will be another 18 months to two years before the clean up can actually start.

"Before we go ahead with the clearance, we have to undergo an environmental assessment, a joint provincial and federal process," explained Capt. Matt Braid, program director for the cleaning of Lake St. Pierre.

"But in the meantime, we are not going to sit there and wait. We are doing work in Lac St. Pierre," Braid said.

DND will spent $9 million to prepare for the clean up of Lac St. Pierre, including studies and underwater ammunition detonation. The department hopes it can find new technologies for the clean up, because using divers trained in explosives will be slow and costly to remove. The work in Lac St. Pierre is part of the unexploded explosive ordnance program (UXO), a multi-year project that will identify, assess and, in some cases, remove the military's decades-old munitions across the country.

Over 700 lots of land in Canada have been identified by UXO as littered with potentially explosive debris, most of it grenades and mortars scattered across former army firing ranges. There also are additional danger zones in the Atlantic Ocean. But Lac St. Pierre is a priority site for DND.

"It's on the high end of our spectrum of sites because of the risks," of it being in a very populated area, said Baird.

Even if residents welcome the cleaning up of the lake, they won't be happy until the test centre in Nicolet is shut down for good. Giroul says that it bothers residents and that some days when DND tests ammunition, they are still not allowed to go on part of the lake near the test centre.

"I'm not going to rest before we win that last battle," Giroul said.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=dbe471ca-9114-49a1-900b-813aa5e69fe6&k=87244

Canada Tested US Neutron Bomb Artillery Shells in Quebec

http://newsdaily.ca/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=5327
 
I've worked in the Base at Suffield for a few years, seen some neat stuff out there. Arriving to work on the Graveyard shift in the South end. Passing Landrovers filling sandbags by headlights with a light tower in the distance... someone found a mustard gas round. Nice... and only a mile or two from the rig; hmmmm which way is the wind blowing? They were sandbagging it in and (if the man knew his story straight) incinerating where it lay , rather than risk moving it.
And the Bio-chem testing...spooky...
 
Curious on advanced projects in general, be it stuff like bio/chem warfare, or advanced munitions and firearms design or development. Anything that wasn't considered run-of-the-mill front line equipment, but rather stuff that was intended to be next-generation and still very much in development stages.

You want to get a copy of Deadly Allies: Canada's Secret War, 1937-1947. It details the Canadian WW II research effort in chemical and biological warfare.

The dark side of Canada's military efforts in WW2.
 
I've worked in the Base at Suffield for a few years, seen some neat stuff out there. Arriving to work on the Graveyard shift in the South end. Passing Landrovers filling sandbags by headlights with a light tower in the distance... someone found a mustard gas round. Nice... and only a mile or two from the rig; hmmmm which way is the wind blowing? They were sandbagging it in and (if the man knew his story straight) incinerating where it lay , rather than risk moving it.
And the Bio-chem testing...spooky...

would you want to move a rusty shell thats been sitting there for 65 years :eek:
 
Suffied Alberta also did some development with firearms. Have seen a experimental rifle they built, very interesting.
 
Not sure if this is exactly what your after but the area I work in, warden and eglinton, is full of tunnels that are supposed to be part of some munitions building effort. When ever there is construction in the area more tunnels are uncovered and unfortunately ruined and buried. One shop across the road from us has a floor that is about 6' thick of heavily reinforced concrete, in one corner ther is a steel pile that is about 12" diameter and is said to go down 60'(only the top 6" is visable so I can't confirm this). The story I got was that the pile is graduated and was used to test the power of whatever munitions were assembled there, the explosives were brought to the bottom of the pile and detonated and the number on the pile that was exposed from it lifting out of the ground represented it's power. Another shop in the area found a hatch down to a tunnel that passed under his unit, unfortunately the tunnel was blocked of at either end of his unit, presumably to prevent theft, but he found a larg stash of auto parts from the 50's and made some cash.
I've always meant to look into the area's history but never have, cool stuff non the less.
 
Not sure if this is exactly what your after but the area I work in, warden and eglinton, is full of tunnels that are supposed to be part of some munitions building effort. When ever there is construction in the area more tunnels are uncovered and unfortunately ruined and buried. One shop across the road from us has a floor that is about 6' thick of heavily reinforced concrete, in one corner ther is a steel pile that is about 12" diameter and is said to go down 60'(only the top 6" is visable so I can't confirm this). The story I got was that the pile is graduated and was used to test the power of whatever munitions were assembled there, the explosives were brought to the bottom of the pile and detonated and the number on the pile that was exposed from it lifting out of the ground represented it's power. Another shop in the area found a hatch down to a tunnel that passed under his unit, unfortunately the tunnel was blocked of at either end of his unit, presumably to prevent theft, but he found a larg stash of auto parts from the 50's and made some cash.
I've always meant to look into the area's history but never have, cool stuff non the less.

I know the area very well. The wikipedia article on "Golden Mile, Toronto" gives a quick summarized overview. Do some research on the names General Engineering Company of Ontario (GECO), as well as the John Inglis company's Scarborough plant.

Not much remains on the surface, but below is a whole different story it would seem.
 
Ottawa/Orleans. DND owned a vehicle test site there for decades. I can't confirm this but I heard of testing of... I'll call them "cruise missles" in the late 60's (cold war) over this property and the surrounding area. Orleans was a fraction of the size it is now and the only substantial community was Blackburn Hamelet and this is where I heard the story from an old timer there. Said he saw them flying around.

RCMP currently owns the property for their post garage and I think the bomb disposal unit is there now. Huge place.
 
I know the area very well. The wikipedia article on "Golden Mile, Toronto" gives a quick summarized overview. Do some research on the names General Engineering Company of Ontario (GECO), as well as the John Inglis company's Scarborough plant.

Not much remains on the surface, but below is a whole different story it would seem.

Good read, makes me want to look into it further. :cheers:
 
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