Price Check on Surplus 8mm 8X57 Mauser ammo.

Henry Nierychlo

Henry Nierychlo

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HI Guys.
So what would be a resonable price to charge for
Surplus 8mm, 8X57 Mauser ammo. 196gr FMJBT
18 rnds/box 32 bxs/case. 576 rounds/case. Made by Prvi Partisan.
Berdan primed, Corrosive.
Thanks!!:)
Regards, Henry
 
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How old would this surplus be? Other factors like country of origin and where/how it has been stored can be significant as well.

I say this only due to some Turkish ammunition from the 1920's----it did not always fire, or only partially fired, due to age/storage conditions.
 
For a case of 576, I wouldn't bark much at $200 plus shipping. I base my math on similar surplus rounds such as 7.62x54R: Marstar is selling cases of 880 for 300 bucks, or 34 cents a round plus shipping probably makes it 50 cents per round.


I realize this stuff is hard to get, and it is surplus, but when each pull of a trigger passes the $.50 mark and you have no reusable brass, then loading becomes cheaper at under 50 cents per round, and purchasing premium commercial loads gives you more future brass cases.

Just my initial thoughts. When shooting at the range or gravel pit for sh*ts and giggles becomes too expensive for a certain caliber, you go back to the SKS where it is cheap.
 
Pikachu said:
How old would this surplus be? Other factors like country of origin and where/how it has been stored can be significant as well.

I say this only due to some Turkish ammunition from the 1920's----it did not always fire, or only partially fired, due to age/storage conditions.
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Yugoslavian, mid 70's manufacture.
Regards, Henry
 
fiddler said:
For a case of 576, I wouldn't bark much at $200 plus shipping. I base my math on similar surplus rounds such as 7.62x54R: Marstar is selling cases of 880 for 300 bucks, or 34 cents a round plus shipping probably makes it 50 cents per round.
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I have to say that is pure fantasy for decent surplus 8x57. Commercial ammo was ~$28/20 rounds last time I bought it over a year ago.

Henry, I would think that more like $0.65-$0.70/round would be a fair price at the moment. Even that may be low, the small lots I have seen are well over that at gun shows and on the EE. I have a supply of surplus 8x57 stashed away, but I would buy at this price if I ever had to resupply.

Mark
 
mmattockx said:
Henry, I would think that more like $0.65-$0.70/round would be a fair price at the moment. Even that may be low, the small lots I have seen are well over that at gun shows and on the EE. I have a supply of surplus 8x57 stashed away, but I would buy at this price if I ever had to resupply.

Mark
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I think at $0.65-$0.70/round sales won't be brisk. You're right about gun show pricing, but I don't see that stuff selling much.

Given the amount of 8mm that I have, I wouldn't spend more than $0.50/round right now.
 
M 75 Yugo sniper ammo (1970's to 1990's manufacture) is currently selling for $550/900 round case. However, this is in the USA where conditions are better for both buyer and sellers.

Pricing must be significantly better than the commercial $1.15/round ($23-24/box), and should be compatible or better than the costs of reloading. Otherwise, people will just continue with that practice.

For the 1990's M-75, I would pay maximum in the $14-15 range for 20 --but that's just me, as I have had good experience with this ammunition.

For older and regular ball, 40 to 50 cents per round would be the maximum appropriate amount. But then again, I do not know what your overheads are. I think given the comparisons to the US costs, many would feel it is inappropriate. But I do know that there is such a drought in supply that some will even pay as much or even more.

I believe the key is to price it slightly lower than it would be for someone to gather and reload the components in their cheapest form
 
mmattockx said:
I have to say that is pure fantasy for decent surplus 8x57. Commercial ammo was ~$28/20 rounds last time I bought it over a year ago.



Mark
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I guess it all depends on how you look at it. The problem here is that you're comparing apples to oranges. With surplus ammo: its corrosive, has full metal jackets ( no hunting, some range restrictions), non reusable cases, and in most cases, it needs to be shipped. With commercial ammo: available locally, reusable brass, good for hunting and all ranges, available in different weights, and its non-corrosive.

Take your 60 or 70 cents a round, add shipping and you end up with 75 or 80 cents per pull of the trigger. Not really a wonderful deal when you consider reloading: bullet- . 25 , powder .20, primer .03 = $.48 per round ( and a more accurate and stable round). I can load several hundred rounds in one snowy afternoon in less time than it takes to drink a case of beer.



At 75 or 80 cents per round, my wallet stays tight. I can't say I would be crashing down the doors to be buying it. It makes more sense in the long run to pay 50 or 60% more for commercial loads that I can use the brass a dozen times over. This is NOT fantasy.


The big problem here is that people are too willing and eager to pay premium prices for non-premium ammo. This drives the price up for everyone. I don't begrudge the local businessman for trying to stay in business, but just because its the only deal in town, does not mean its a good deal. More people need to reload and make actual price comparisons before they turn out their hard earned dollars.


BTW, I still have primers and cans of powder from 25 years ago ($13/pound), and lots of it. Realistic non fantasy cost per round= $.35 each.
 
New commercial Non-Corrosive reloadable 8 mm FMJ Ammo is coming from a large importer in the Spring at about .90 cents a round, so Surplus should retail around .50 to .60 cents a round in my opinion.
 
fiddler said:
I guess it all depends on how you look at it. The problem here is that you're comparing apples to oranges.
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I do agree, but I was more thinking of pricing within the current ammo cost levels. There are lots of guys who don't reload that will pay more for surplus than you or I think it is worth.

I am the same as you, I reload for all my centerfire cartridges because of the cost. You can't reload 8x57 for $0.35 at today's component prices, that is not a fair comparison for those just getting into shooting that don't have the 25 year old stock of components. You could certainly do $0.50-$0.60/round with no troubles and you get to keep reloading that same piece of brass many times.

Stevo said:
I think at $0.65-$0.70/round sales won't be brisk. You're right about gun show pricing, but I don't see that stuff selling much.

Given the amount of 8mm that I have, I wouldn't spend more than $0.50/round right now.
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If gun show pricing is $0.70/round, then I am off a bit. I thought it was closer to $1/round. In that case, I would say that case lot prices need to be 10-15% lower to be attractive.

Mark
 
Perhaps a "trial run" to see how it would sell would be in order. Whenever I have brought in a new product for my sellers/buyers, it would be promoted well ahead of time and then introduced to gauge interest.

How fast or slow it sells will say it all. Although I believe it would all sell, it may take a while to get your profit depending on your pricing (and what the competition does--by the looks of it, you will have a monopoly for the time being):)
 
mmattockx said:
If gun show pricing is $0.70/round, then I am off a bit. I thought it was closer to $1/round. In that case, I would say that case lot prices need to be 10-15% lower to be attractive.

Mark
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That's not what I meant. I was agreeing with your statement about gun show prices being higher than that. And that at a buck a round, it doesn't sell at the gun shows.

OneBarfly said:
8mm surplus at a recent show was going for $45 per 100
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That's surprising. What kind?
 
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