SCAR vs ACR Part III

blaxsun said:
I think the ARX-160 is going to completely blow away both the SCAR and ACR in terms of ergonomics, ambidextrous capability and accessibility to controls. The charging handle can be swapped without tools in mere seconds, you can change the side where it ejects with the tip of a round and the 3-second barrel change is well - simply unheard of.
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I am looking forward to the ARX 160 as well.

However, I learned a long time ago not to make statements that new firearms yet to hit the market will "blow away" other products already on the market. It's a good way to end up with egg on your face. :D

I do hope the ARX 160 is everything Beretta is claiming it will be and I hope all the doo-dads don't make it unreliable. I do know I'll have money in hand when they become available.
 
MilitaryArms said:
I am looking forward to the ARX 160 as well.

However, I learned a long time ago not to make statements that new firearms yet to hit the market will "blow away" other products already on the market. It's a good way to end up with egg on your face. :D

I do hope the ARX 160 is everything Beretta is claiming it will be and I hope all the doo-dads don't make it unreliable. I do know I'll have money in hand when they become available.
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True enough! *If* Beretta doesn't make any drastic changes for the commercial version (aka: Masada » ACR), we'll have a winner on our hands! Even if the price gets bumped... That barrel change system alone is worth the price of admission!
 
Some of these videos are mildly entertaining but lack any real substance, like most of the gun rags out there. It is "haha", but most of the information are subjective and unscientific.

If you want some real data to draw conclusion, look at some of the vibration-time analysis done by people with technical background on the internet. When we start putting the timing, freqency and aptitude of the vibration - that tells the story which is back up by real data. I found it difficult to give credit to a guy who said " Y's recoil is twice as much as X's" by just pumping few rounds into the air.
 
greentips said:
Some of these videos are mildly entertaining but lack any real substance, like most of the gun rags out there. It is "haha", but most of the information are subjective and unscientific.
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For many of us, the videos are closest thing to our respective ACRs and SCARs, and being able to see the takedown and some of the quirks is invaluable since it gives us a bit of working knowledge in-advance of receiving them (this is also helpful for sourcing any aftermarket parts to address any known "issues", defects, etc.)
 
greentips said:
Some of these videos are mildly entertaining but lack any real substance, like most of the gun rags out there. It is "haha", but most of the information are subjective and unscientific.

If you want some real data to draw conclusion, look at some of the vibration-time analysis done by people with technical background on the internet. When we start putting the timing, freqency and aptitude of the vibration - that tells the story which is back up by real data. I found it difficult to give credit to a guy who said " Y's recoil is twice as much as X's" by just pumping few rounds into the air.
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I see what you're saying but I don't completely agree. At this point I was glad just to see some of the differences and a test drive. The further data can come later. Also of note was that one has a flash hider on it, the other has a muzzle brake. Which he mentioned. Besides honestly it's a .223. The worst recoiling .223 isn't bad.

I was more interested in the ergonomic and technical differences. Subjective feel for handling and shooting characteristics is still valid to me. Look at the Tavor. Shoot one off hand and the advantages/ability to shoot it far outweigh any paper stats.
 
epoxy7 said:
i see what you're saying but i don't completely agree. At this point i was glad just to see some of the differences and a test drive. The further data can come later. Also of note was that one has a flash hider on it, the other has a muzzle brake. Which he mentioned. Besides honestly it's a .223. The worst recoiling .223 isn't bad.

I was more interested in the ergonomic and technical differences. Subjective feel for handling and shooting characteristics is still valid to me. Look at the tavor. Shoot one off hand and the advantages/ability to shoot it far outweigh any paper stats.
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+1!!
 
greentips said:
Some of these videos are mildly entertaining but lack any real substance, like most of the gun rags out there. It is "haha", but most of the information are subjective and unscientific.

If you want some real data to draw conclusion, look at some of the vibration-time analysis done by people with technical background on the internet. When we start putting the timing, freqency and aptitude of the vibration - that tells the story which is back up by real data. I found it difficult to give credit to a guy who said " Y's recoil is twice as much as X's" by just pumping few rounds into the air.
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I'm sorry, feel free to remove the thread then.

I'm sure people would be glued to the computer monitor if I rambled on about vibration-time analysis for 12 minutes.
 
CarbineOne said:
.... as the author claims the SCAR recoils so much better... when they aren't wearing the same muzzle devices destroys that evaluation point. You have no idea which system is smoother because of it.
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I guess the part where this was a casual review of both the ACR and SCAR as shipped in their factory configurations must have escaped you. But it's somewhat moot since the SCAR is not going to be readily available in Canada, and the compliant version of the ACR that is being imported is not threaded.
 
MilitaryArms, when you return from holidays, I was wondering if you would be able to check the functionality of a Magpul EMAG to see if it causes the same issues with potentially damaging the SCAR as the PMAGs do? We have been told that the EMAGs will work flawlessly in the SCAR, but I checked the feed lips on both the PMAG and EMAG and they appear to be identical. The modification you posted (thanks again, btw) is easy enough to make to both, but it would be great to know in-advance if this is something we'll need to perform to EMAGs as well as PMAGs. Thanks.
 
blaxsun said:
I guess the part where this was a casual review of both the ACR and SCAR as shipped in their factory configurations must have escaped you. But it's somewhat moot since the SCAR is not going to be readily available in Canada, and the compliant version of the ACR that is been imported is not threaded.
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That's no different than shipping an ACOG with an M4 and claiming it's more accurate than a competitor that ships with irons. The comparison is barely legible.

I don't doubt the brake makes it more pleasant to shoot, but that is the brake, not the gun.
 
CarbineOne said:
That's no different than shipping an ACOG with an M4 and claiming it's more accurate than a competitor that ships with irons. The comparison is barely legible.
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6:18 "...a lot of that is probably due to this PWS muzzle brake..."
6:28 "...I do have another SCAR that has a 51T Blackout on it, but the recoil impulse still feels softer to me..."

Ance since there's essentially no functional difference between an AAC Blackout and an AAC 51T Blackout, the only personal observation being made here is that even with the same flash hider the recoil still feels a bit softer on the SCAR.

Watch the video again. It should be readily apparent that the author has two (2) FN SCARs: the one in the video with a PWS muzzle brake and another with a AAC 51T Blackout. Both of which he's shot and casually observed the recoil on.
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Fair enough.

I'd have preferred a side by side comparison (In the interest of science!). Many rifles/configs will feel similar unless shot side by side.
 
beltfed said:
Nice review.
Every firearm out there is only as ergonomic as the user wants to adapt their style of shooting or operation of it.
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Very true I find it takes very little time for most people acquaint themselves to manual of arms for most of the military arms .They only have one thing in common they launch bullets and that is all they have in common .They all have different grip angle's user's access to the fire control's and sight systems. I find the AK series quite easy to use and yes the controls for most people are ackward and not suited for right hand users with a few minutes of familuarzition most users can be quite proficient in its operation.
 
Thanks for the reviews - nice to see some basic assessments of the design differences and makes me even more anxious for the arrival of my SCAR (who could think that was possible!!).

I would also second Blaxsun's question about the EMAG functionality if you know the answer to this.

lonedrone
 
I'll order some EMAGs when I return home. I do know they have the same issue based upon feedback from other folks I know with SCARs and who tried them, but I've not bought any to review for myself. I'll remedy that next week.
 
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