AIA .308 magazines for a M14
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CLAVEN 2;
"Nobody said the mfgr is in Ausrtalia. My bets would be on China or Vietnam."
I was just made aware of this thread regarding the alledged AIA 20rd mags....
As you know Marstar in the sole Canadian importer of AIA rilfes for Canada....
Let me state, without condition, that AIA is NOT the manufacturer of these magazines, nor have they approved these magazines for use in their rifles....Although they have experimented with such magazines nothing has gone beyond the prototype stage....
I addition, AIA has not approved the use of their name in any way whatsover outside that being used on their products....
And yes we will have more 10rd mags soon....
John
"Nobody said the mfgr is in Ausrtalia. My bets would be on China or Vietnam."
I was just made aware of this thread regarding the alledged AIA 20rd mags....
As you know Marstar in the sole Canadian importer of AIA rilfes for Canada....
Let me state, without condition, that AIA is NOT the manufacturer of these magazines, nor have they approved these magazines for use in their rifles....Although they have experimented with such magazines nothing has gone beyond the prototype stage....
I addition, AIA has not approved the use of their name in any way whatsover outside that being used on their products....
And yes we will have more 10rd mags soon....
John
No funds were paid for the pre order...so you might have been hosed...
We'll see. The problem is still with Moreguns though, not this guy.
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Any ETA John?
I understood a pre order is legal and fine, but it's illegal to sell what you don't have in your possession = fraud.
As johnone said (above), wow.... just wow. Glad I deal with guys who have been around for years...
Og an i'll be keeping an ear toe the ground on the 10 rd mags...cool, very happy.
As johnone said (above), wow.... just wow. Glad I deal with guys who have been around for years...
Og an i'll be keeping an ear toe the ground on the 10 rd mags...cool, very happy.
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It's in fact perfectly legal to sell what you don't yet have in your possession, presuming the purchaser gets the product shortly after you do. Happens all the time. Hell you can buy a condo before the foundation of the building is even laid, you can buy a car before the first one rolls out of the factory, etc.
Plus the pre-orders from moreguns were not billed yet.
Buy a car or home, you enter into a "signed" mutually agreed upon contract. Which I might add has a "force majeur" clause in it, most likely stipulating "If there is or may be unforeseen problems + not their fault nor control = new deal "
As moreguns did not bill, they did it right. Beside who want the hassle for an undelivered item, should it go south?
this is probaly why ki11ercane was banned from this site. when placing my order for these mags with him he lead me to believe they were AIA mags. goodbye to bad rubbish i say. time to cancell my order.
I am the CGN'er in question and I paid in full for the magazines. I don't appreciate being called a fraud either. I have full receipts from the moregunssupply. I just paid in advance as a way to set aside the funds but then I needed money so I transferred them. I don't know how I was supposed to know moregunssupply was a fraud, and I really don't see how this transaction has anything to do with me anymore.
stencollector
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Johnone: The guy who had dreamed these up, had them manufactured, and imported them is ########/mick/spencer (and 20 other screen names) who was also the guy whose name came up back when the classifications of the open bolt SSD guns were placed under review. His sharp, legal mind decided that these mags would be legal, and moreguns was happy to tag along and profit from it. Unlike Questar, who submitted their 10 round AR magazines through the RCMP tech lab first for approval, these two were happy to let the customers be the guinea pigs as to the legality of these magazines.
######## had called up dealers in this area trying to sell these to them. The dealer that told me of this did not want to risk their business over untested magazines and declined.
Whether the magazines are now held up over a pending court case as can-am has pointed out in this thread, or ########s new found caution because of the word "riffle", this may be a blessing in disguise for the guys who lined up for these. At least it won't be them getting a firearms prohibition, tied up in court, and taken at gunpoint over these magazines.
I went through the whole thread to find where CanAm announced that there was court action pending over these magazines. Could only find a post where someone said that CanAm said that there was court action. Court action is public; if there is court action, where have the papers been filed?
Ki11ercane reported that the magazines had reached the importer. If the magazines REACHED the importer, they MUST have cleared CBSA/RCMP. The shipment would not have been released for delivery in Canada unless they had been cleared by CBSA/RCMP. IF they cleared CBSA/RCMP, why would there be any need for court action? If the CBSA/RCMP did not clear the magazines, the shipment would have been held at the point of entry. And would NOT have reached the importer.
None of this adds up.
If the RCMP is indeed questionning whether or not these are bolt action or semi auto rifle magazines, all the wink, wink, nudge, nudge, discussion about the magazines coincidentally fitting M-14 rifles could lead the RCMP/a court, etc. to accept that these magazines were indeed manufactured for use in M-14 rifles, and any stampings or claims to the contrary were only an attempt to deceive.
Ki11ercane has been accused of fraud in this matter. This is not correct. At no time did he ever suggest that he actually had product to sell; he specifically stated he would not charge credit cards until product was at hand. His ability to supply this product is tied to his business associate, the importer, who has not been able to deliver.
Ki11ercane reported that the magazines had reached the importer. If the magazines REACHED the importer, they MUST have cleared CBSA/RCMP. The shipment would not have been released for delivery in Canada unless they had been cleared by CBSA/RCMP. IF they cleared CBSA/RCMP, why would there be any need for court action? If the CBSA/RCMP did not clear the magazines, the shipment would have been held at the point of entry. And would NOT have reached the importer.
None of this adds up.
If the RCMP is indeed questionning whether or not these are bolt action or semi auto rifle magazines, all the wink, wink, nudge, nudge, discussion about the magazines coincidentally fitting M-14 rifles could lead the RCMP/a court, etc. to accept that these magazines were indeed manufactured for use in M-14 rifles, and any stampings or claims to the contrary were only an attempt to deceive.
Ki11ercane has been accused of fraud in this matter. This is not correct. At no time did he ever suggest that he actually had product to sell; he specifically stated he would not charge credit cards until product was at hand. His ability to supply this product is tied to his business associate, the importer, who has not been able to deliver.
stencollector
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I stand corrected. It was third party info. Perhaps hinner or Elposer (some of ########'s current screen names) could chime in and give the first hand knowledge as to the status of his importation.
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Mauser GDog
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Maybe KevinM can get his money back from moreguns (less the markup on your transaction if there was any
). If that pans out, then everyone comes out of it more or less alright. My guess is you paid moreguns with your CC or EMT, and that would cause problems. Maybe moreguns will go out of their way to help?
For the record...you were completely anonymous...until you reveled your completely anonymous login name and associated it with the situation. I did not call you anything. You have now, so take anonymous person offense to the comment then.
Let me rephase my comment...you got hosed on the mags by paying in advance. I hope it can be resolved to everyones satisfaction.
Well I didn't really get hosed since I transferred the order and was paid back in full but w.e. I just don't understand why there is confusion over whos fault this is. It's not my fault, it is moregunssupply's fault and since the order was transferred into someone elses name and shipping information, I don't see why I am even involved anymore. I am a student, and I ordered them in the summer when I had a job and money so I WANTED to pay in advance to ensure I had enough to buy them, but then funds were a little tight so I transferred the order to someone who wanted it. And no, there was no markup, I showed him all the receipts saying the exact amount and that they were already paid for by EMT. I just don't like getting caught up in this kind of BS, all this happened MONTHS ago.
Relax. No one really cared until you identified yourself. No one says it is your fault. I actually don't care. I mean that with all sincerity. I don't care.
I hope everything works out.
