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A quick question..... I just received my first registered rifle docs from the Canadian Firearms Program. Am I required to carry this with me while in possession of my rifle for the range, hunting, and/or anytime the rifle is out of my home and in my possession??
 
You'll have to be able to produce them on command there comrade.

I photocopied mine, then cut the little wallet insert out, laminate/plasitc protect and your good to go.
 
I have this giant friggen manila envelope with all my certs and my ATT in it. If I ever get asked for papers I'm just going to hand over the envelope and take a nap while they sort through it to match the right certificate to the right gun.
 
I have always believed that it was not a legal requirement to carry the registration with me, at least here in B.C. Was I wrong?

Plus, I don't know about the Mounties, but no CO has ever asked for it when checked in the bush.
 
Conservation officers in Saskatchewan refuse to enforce the registration rules. But the RCMP do enforce the rule that requires you produce the registration certificate on demand when you are in possession of a firearm.
 
Longwalker said:
Conservation officers in Saskatchewan refuse to enforce the registration rules. But the RCMP do enforce the rule that requires you produce the registration certificate on demand when you are in possession of a firearm.
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I didn't know that but would explain why the CO's never check me.
 
redbirddog said:
Why carry a piece of paper.
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Well, because the law says you have to and you may have your gun seized if you don't.

Section 91 of the Criminal Code:

91. (1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5), every person commits an offence who possesses a firearm without being the holder of
(a) a licence under which the person may possess it; and
(b) a registration certificate for the firearm.
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While the requirement is bulls**t, do you want to take the chance that a day of hunting or shooting gets screwed up due to not carrying a wallet sized piece of paper? YMMV

Mark
 
mmattockx said:
Well, because the law says you have to and you may have your gun seized if you don't.

Section 91 of the Criminal Code:



While the requirement is bulls**t, do you want to take the chance that a day of hunting or shooting gets screwed up due to not carrying a wallet sized piece of paper? YMMV

Mark
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I am the holder of a license and I am the holder of the registration certificate but I'm not holding it at this moment :D.

What about the amnesty? If one can legally own an unregistered firearm one can't produce a certificate can they? Therefore if one doesn't require a certificate for that rifle why should you need one for the registered rifle?
 
mmattockx said:
Well, because the law says you have to and you may have your gun seized if you don't.

Section 91 of the Criminal Code:



While the requirement is bulls**t, do you want to take the chance that a day of hunting or shooting gets screwed up due to not carrying a wallet sized piece of paper? YMMV

Mark
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Not to split hairs here, and I am no legal expert for sure, but if this is the Criminal Code in it's entirety as it applies to this issue, then it's the owning of the two documents not necessarily having them on your person that creates compliance with the law perhaps? "Yes, officer. I have both a PAL and a registration for this gun and they are both safe at home". Hope I never have to deal with this.....
 
The CCofC goes on to say(and these are the reasons I carry my Licence and Reg Certs)

Seizure on failure to produce authorization

117.03 (1) Notwithstanding section 117.02, a peace officer who finds
(a) a person in possession of a firearm who fails, on demand, to produce, for inspection by the peace officer, an authorization or a licence under which the person may lawfully possess the firearm and a registration certificate for the firearm, or
(b) a person in possession of a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any prohibited ammunition who fails, on demand, to produce, for inspection by the peace officer, an authorization or a licence under which the person may lawfully possess it,
may seize the firearm, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device or prohibited ammunition unless its possession by the person in the circumstances in which it is found is authorized by any provision of this Part, or the person is under the direct and immediate supervision of another person who may lawfully possess it.

Return of seized thing on production of authorization

(2) Where a person from whom any thing is seized pursuant to subsection (1) claims the thing within fourteen days after the seizure and produces for inspection by the peace officer by whom it was seized, or any other peace officer having custody of it,
(a) an authorization or a licence under which the person is lawfully entitled to possess it, and
(b) in the case of a firearm, a registration certificate for the firearm,
the thing shall forthwith be returned to that person.
Forfeiture of seized thing

(3) Where any thing seized pursuant to subsection (1) is not claimed and returned as and when provided by subsection (2), a peace officer shall forthwith take the thing before a provincial court judge, who may, after affording the person from whom it was seized or its owner, if known, an opportunity to establish that the person is lawfully entitled to possess it, declare it to be forfeited to Her Majesty, to be disposed of or otherwise dealt with as the Attorney General directs.
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I picked up a small leather bound business card holder, looks like a day planner. Carries 50 cards, plenty more then I can fill at the moment. Easy to throw in my back pocket when i head out so i dont have to sort through them, i just take them all
 
I photocopied (about 10 to a page) and keep them in an envelope in my truck glove compartment, another set in my range bag. Never been asked for them but better to have it and not need it, IMO.
 
Interesting. I always went with the "holder" wording as meaning that if it was at home, then I was a holder.

Mauser's post paints a different picture all together. But. When all an officer has to do is pull you up on his computer, what the heck is the point? They're always talking about how the system notifies a police officer of what guns might be present when responding to a call or whatever, is it not reasonable to assume that what we own is at the officer's finger tips?
 
I only carry my registration papers for my restricted firearms. Along with my ATT. I don not carry them for Non-Restricted. I have yet to be asked for either.
 
A few years ago some hunter up by Dease Lake BC were hunting and they had ALL of their firearms seized for no reg on them hence their expensive hunt was over before it started! Easier just to pack a little wallet card with you. Some check , some don't . Depends on who it is and the day. Imagine if it is an anti-hunter law officer checking you, it is the law. Just saying...
 
I don't really see a reason not to. Is it stupid? In my opinion, yes. Is it the law? Yes.

I have a bright orange license holder (ever dropped a white one in the snow at -25?) and I just stick the cert's behind my firearms license. That way if I have my P.A.L, I have my cert's. I've never been checked, but why take the chance?
 
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