.300 savage?
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I've not hunted with a 300 Savage, but I have hunted with a .308win, and a 30-30. The 30-30 is only a couple hundred fps slower than the 300Sav, so I'm sure it can do anything the 300 Sav can do!
[Especially in a box magazine rifle like the savage 340!]
I'm not knocking the 300 Savage. What I'm knocking is the continual notion that any given cartridge is just as good as another cartridge which shoots the same bullets, but with a 200-300 fps velocity difference.
If 200-300 fps make no difference, then do 400-600 fps? How about 600-800? Where do you draw the line?
hope with your message you re not telling us that is the speed of bullet that s killing animal.
Sacrilege!!!!
you cant do that. im still using an old 1923 take down model for hunting ....
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- Eastern Edge of the Foothills
Well I certainly think it plays a role, don't you?hope with your message you re not telling us that is the speed of bullet that s killing animal.
Granted there are other mitigating factors that come in to play.
But if velocity weren't important at all, then we could just throw the bullets, and as long as we hit just behind the shoulder blade the beast would fall dead.
Also, if bullet velocity was totally unimportant, then we'd all have been satisfied with 30-40 krags using black powder.
Why?
The major difference in any 30cal is velocity and slight bullet weight differences. Bullets are made to mushroom or expand to a certain point at a certain velocity (the force of hitting the animal) so take the 165 grain corlock bullet (not sure if made in this weight for each but bare with me) the 3030 is great to a 100 yards the 300 savage and 308 to 150 3006 to 200 and the 300 win mag to 250. If placed in the chest correctly the game animal will die. Yes a 3030 can kill at 200 yards and a 300wm can kill at 700 yards. The point is the bullets they throw have a set of factors inherent in them that create the perfect intended upset and expansion when significant force is applied certain bullets are created to penetrae more some to fragment or rapidly expand. Bullet choice and placement is vital. Know where your going to hunt and what you're hunting. If a 50yard shot is most likely a 3030 or 300 savage is ideal. If hunting open areas where 300 yard shots will be the norm pick the bullet and rifle thatwill perform best at that range. I have a 300 savage a 308win and a 300 win mag. I love all 3
I was wrong when I said the .300 Savage will do anything the .308 can.
The .300 Savage wont feed properly through an M-60 LMG.
Or an FN...or an HK...
Luckily you wont have to explain these technicalities to any deer or moose you shoot with the .300 Savage.
You can however explain to them that they were bowled over by a bullet only going 2500 fps instead of 2800 fps while you're gutting them out.
I have a Savage Super Sporter. It's either a model 30 or 35 or 40. I don't remember and it's not stamped on it. It was made somwhere between the first and second world wars.
It's my first centre fire rifle and I was taught to hunt deer with it using only the built-in peep sight when I was 16 years old.
Yes, it's about 200fps slower than the .308. I hunted deer with 150 grain bullets in it.
Guess what? Killed all of them. Not too much recoil for my 16 year old self.
Great little round.
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It's my first centre fire rifle and I was taught to hunt deer with it using only the built-in peep sight when I was 16 years old.
Yes, it's about 200fps slower than the .308. I hunted deer with 150 grain bullets in it.
Guess what? Killed all of them. Not too much recoil for my 16 year old self.
Great little round.
Very simple rifle:
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- Eastern Edge of the Foothills
- Location
- Eastern Edge of the Foothills
To me, when the OP asks about the 300 Savage, the answer should be somthing along these lines:
It is the case/cartridge that the 308 win was modelled after, but it is slightly different than the 308 win case in that it is has a bit less case capacity and a shorter neck.
The 308 win can tolerate higher pressures, and the velocity difference between the two is around 200-300 fps in favor of the 308 win with the same weight of bullets. It fits nicely in between the 30-30 and the 308 win, putting it in an excellent niche for hunting big game within 200-250 yards.
I do have a considerable amount of respect for the 300 Savage, but I do not think it is the equal of the 308 win., just as I don't think the 30-06 is the equal of the 300 Win Mag. Nor do I think the 7x57 is equal to the .280Rem., etc, etc.
I do think that 200-300 fps makes a difference, and should be taken note of.
What I was making a smart-a$$ comentary on was the little-man syndrome that seems to be common when cartridges of any size are brought up.
If someone is talking about a 300 RUM, then the guy who has a 300 Win mag feels like he has to say his gun can do anything the "bigger" one can.
Same thing with 30-06 vs 300 Win mag, and on down the line.
Any given cartridge is inevitably compared the one just bigger than it in case capacity and velocity, and inevitably it is thought to be "just as good as" that next bigger cartridge. I, personally, don't agree with this notion.
That's probably why I have more than a few guns. I DON'T think they're all the same, and I enjoy picking up on the differences... it helps me justify the purchase of new and DIFFERENT cartridges.
It is the case/cartridge that the 308 win was modelled after, but it is slightly different than the 308 win case in that it is has a bit less case capacity and a shorter neck.
The 308 win can tolerate higher pressures, and the velocity difference between the two is around 200-300 fps in favor of the 308 win with the same weight of bullets. It fits nicely in between the 30-30 and the 308 win, putting it in an excellent niche for hunting big game within 200-250 yards.
I do have a considerable amount of respect for the 300 Savage, but I do not think it is the equal of the 308 win., just as I don't think the 30-06 is the equal of the 300 Win Mag. Nor do I think the 7x57 is equal to the .280Rem., etc, etc.
I do think that 200-300 fps makes a difference, and should be taken note of.
What I was making a smart-a$$ comentary on was the little-man syndrome that seems to be common when cartridges of any size are brought up.
If someone is talking about a 300 RUM, then the guy who has a 300 Win mag feels like he has to say his gun can do anything the "bigger" one can.
Same thing with 30-06 vs 300 Win mag, and on down the line.
Any given cartridge is inevitably compared the one just bigger than it in case capacity and velocity, and inevitably it is thought to be "just as good as" that next bigger cartridge. I, personally, don't agree with this notion.
That's probably why I have more than a few guns. I DON'T think they're all the same, and I enjoy picking up on the differences... it helps me justify the purchase of new and DIFFERENT cartridges.
The .300 savage with a 150 or 165 grain bullet is a good choice for deer in heavy cover and no slouch on open country mule deer. It is not a .308 but it doesn't need to be. It does what it was designed to do very well--I have shot deer with it and with the .308 under similar hunting conditions and did not notice any difference.
Before the magnum craze many local hunters were quite happy hunting moose and black bear with a .300 savage and the 180 grain load.
It is not a long range precision cartridge but in a good Savage 99 it is not uncommon to put 3 shots in an inch at 100 yards. It is what it is.
YMMV, 44Bore.
Before the magnum craze many local hunters were quite happy hunting moose and black bear with a .300 savage and the 180 grain load.
It is not a long range precision cartridge but in a good Savage 99 it is not uncommon to put 3 shots in an inch at 100 yards. It is what it is.
YMMV, 44Bore.
Shot a nice doe last fall with my 1951 vintage Savage 99 EG model in .300 Savage using a Remington 150 gr factory load.Have since picked a 99 F in the same calibre and have started reloading for these rifles. Cheers Bac4
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- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
The cgn velocity nutz can argue all you want. The true fact is .300 savage,.308 win, or the 30-06 sprg= dead moose, deer, bear etc. etc, etc. 250 fps faster, slower doesn't mean much, except to a handloader through a chronograph. But to each is own. That's just my opinion. I own all three, mind you I have never killed a big game animal with a .308 win. maybe this year.
Alberta bigbore. Get a .300 savage, you will be glad you did. In my neck of the woods i'm the only one who uses one. I have a 760 rem, and a savage 99. Both are fun. Just my two cents!
Dave.
Alberta bigbore. Get a .300 savage, you will be glad you did. In my neck of the woods i'm the only one who uses one. I have a 760 rem, and a savage 99. Both are fun. Just my two cents!
Dave.
+1...
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- Eastern Edge of the Foothills
Same can be said about the 30-30, 25-06, 7-08, 7x57, 30-40 krag, 6.5x55, .270, .280, .308 Norma Magnum, .32 remington, 8x57, 35 whelen, 350 remington magnum, etc, etc, etc. They all kill big game dead. They've all done it and they all will continue to do it. So because they all kill animals, then they all must be the same. What's the difference? None, they all work.
Or are there differences?
Just as with guns, there's 2 kinds of beer drinkers. The first kind is only concerned with getting drunk. Any beer can do it, and as long as it gets the job done, then those people are satisfied. These folk usually don't see the need in spending a lot on beer, because even the cheap stuff will get the desired result. They usually have the same stuff in the fridge year after year, because the kind they've always had gets the job done, so why try something else? Afterall, they're all pretty much the same.
The second kind is more of a connoisseur. This kind samples a lot of different beers and notices the subtle differences in flavour amoung them. These people are always trying new and different kinds of beers. Spending more to try the exotic imports and they usually have several different kinds on hand at any one time. They do notice the differences, and they revel in those differences. Also, they're "favorite" is often changing because they're always trying something new. This one is a bit sweeter, this one is a bit smoother, etc.
The first kind of beer drinker often sees the second kind as a beer snob. The Second kind usually thinks the first kind isn't getting the full enjoyment out of their beer.
Yes, I do reload. Yes, I have a chrony. I am, admittedly, a gunnut. I see the differences where others might see none. I not only see them, I revel in them.
But I do agree... they all kill critters dead.
