Israeli k98 original finish?

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I have another Israeli reworked k98 - dou 43 - coming in whose finish was described as "black Krylon and something sticky". The former owner remembers his kid repainting the rifle as the original finish was pretty much gone.

I've seen these in black paint, grey phosphate, green phosphate (parked?) and blued. My Mauser books only describe the Israeli rifles as foot notes (with b&w pics of course), and image searching on GOOGLE isn't exactly definitive. The two I own now show a little paint here, some phosphate there, and blue in other places. Who knows how many times they've been overhauled.

The barrel date is 28-57 if that helps at all.

Thanks in advance.
 
Holy never issued Bat Man! That looks like the finish on the last black bolt SKS I bought? Nice rifle BTW. Yours Doug? Missing the sight hood?

I guess that could be what the black paint on mine looked like before it was rubbed most of the way off. Wonder if there's grey phosphate hiding under there?
 
Deltasilver said:
Holy never issued Bat Man! That looks like the finish on the last black bolt SKS I bought? Nice rifle BTW. Yours Doug? Missing the sight hood?
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Yup.. bought it at a local gun show a few years ago, but I'm not sure why now .. :D

I think it was during my binge years where I tried to collect one of everything but with no focus ....

In the next 12 months I'm hoping to have a huge auction sale of at least 1/2 my collection so I can focus on a specific area with what's left ... ;)

Regards,
Doug
 
Hawkshadow said:
Wow that's one pristine looking rifle Doug! Keep those of us in the area in mind if you decide to thin the herd!
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Will do .... :)

I probably have 100 or more rifles coming to market and I HATE packing them up for Canada Post shipping, so I may hold a local Toronto yard sale during the nicer weather ... :D

Regards,
Doug
 
My Izzy K98 is parkerized, almost a greenish colour. Barrel dates around 11/57.

Doug Why the paint and sanded stock? Note the finger grooves?
 
Pblatzz said:
My Izzy K98 is parkerized, almost a greenish colour. Barrel dates around 11/57.
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I suppose I should have known this but there is no such thing as green parkerizing. Either zinc or manganese - grey or black - and the green tinge is from pigments leached out of cosmoline over years of storage. It can be faked (ie. new Springfield production 1911s) by adding chromate pigments but its expensive and if you don't know what you're doing you might end up with a lime green rifle.

I got a PM from a fellow who tells me the new barrels were zinc parked after manufacture and then the rifles either painted over with black enamel or left raw phosphate.

I would guess the green ones had components parkerized, got re-barreled in 7.62x51 and then were stored, greenish tinge and lovely light colored stocks coming late in life.

Might just look at having it done in armacote or hoping it cleans up nice enough to leave alone, 'cause if a phosphate k98 bolt runs anything like the AIA M10 I was playing with today... Ouch.
 
I know cosmoline causes colour change over time but 1911a1's of WW2 vintage seem to come in a wide range of colours. I had a '44 Remington Rand that was greyish green and have seen 1945 Rands which were very grey. Collector sites on line claim the park solution at RR was changed in late '44 resulting in a grey colour. I would argue that the green is not totally from cosmoline as both were stored in cosmoline for the same length of time, give or take a year.
 
Wow. Did a bunch of links and stuff and the connection reset on me. I'm NOT typing the whole thing again.

The museum with all the Garand, M1, M14 prtotypes etc did a helpful article.

Wartime parkerizing mix wasn't terribly sensitive so it wasn't always mixed the same. So, the end results aren't always the same colors. Softer parts take a darker tinge than harder parts do. They pointed out as well that of the two hundred odd new and prototype firearms in their collections, anything that had NOT been stored for a length of time in the some type of petrochemical preservative did not turn green. They were exactly the same shade of grey or black as the day they came off the line. Green tinged firearms had been stored. Springfield fakes it by adding chromate pigment to the parking bath right at the end but if you look at the OD GI 1911s on their site, it's not the same color as the real thing.

I guess the point is that there isn't an easy access green park job for this rifle unless I can con Pete out of his.
 
Its a greenish grey park, not olive and it changes in different light. The picts sort of show it. Need to take some in the sunlight.

1913 Spandau, bolt matches. Would love to know the history on this one. You can see the 11-57 on the barrel and the R for Remington??
Of course all the slu of proof marks. You will also see the crisp edges on the finger grooves, dented in a few spots.

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Thanks for putting up the pics. That's a really pretty rifle - the ones built on the recycled German proofed receivers are my favourites. So much history, especially knowing how fresh those rifles are from the Second World War unlike the later FN contract rifles. Not that the FNs aren't still nice =)

It's hard to tell, are all the bolt parts parked the same? Barrel bands, trigger guard etc?

Seeing yours makes me wonder if those more "green" rifles weren't done artificially. I know there are a number of well known Garand restorer/collectors in the states who are pretty good at it.
 
The finish is pretty good as far a consistency. Some parts are darker and some like on the bolt are Grey-greenish, sorry the light is not good inside. Here's the whole rifle.

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