De prohibit the FAL Campaign! (template letter added)

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OK, I am going to initiate the letter writing campaign to get the FAL taken off of the Prohibited list once the conservatives gain a majority, which judging by the polls will hopefully be soon.

Anyone who wishes to own or even shoot an FAL should write a letter to prime Minister Harper as well as his or her MP. Its not like it will take a serious amount of work, I wrote up my letter to Mr. Harper in about 20 Minuets including editing, and its free to send letters to the PM and MP's.

Those who are willing to sacrifice half an hour and a small part of a tree should write to Mr. Harper, their MP, as well as any government official that has any influence on this type of thing such as the Minister of heritage. Send actual letters, not just E-mail.

Letter should be focused on the Historical aspect of the FAL, as it was the standard rifle of pretty much the entire western World (Including Canada for those who don't know:p). Also, state that it is an affront to freedom and an insult to all law abiding citizens in Canada, as it is the truth. Also mention that the rifle is very capable of being used for hunting and target shooting.

I know that we would like to see all the 12x class firearms de-prohibited but the FAL is the only rifle we currently have any chance getting of the damn list due to the Historical aspect, so we can do this if we all try. If anyone knows a firearm owner not on CGN, tell them about this, and get them to help.

We have nothing to lose by asking, all they can say is "NO", the risks of a simple "NO" are greatly overshadowed by the possibility of success.

SO STOP ARGUING ABOUT EVERYTHING, OPEN UP WORD, AND GET WRITING!

.....Pretty please?.....

Check grammar, spelling, as well as the fluidity of your writing. If writing is not your strong point, find someone who can proof read and help you with it.

ALSO: Can someone post the address of the PM's office? I think I have it but want to make sure.

ALSO ALSO: Don't just post "I like the Idea" actually write a letter and send it.

Thanks, and make sure keep us up to date if/when the PM responds to you.

Guideline for letter: Use this as a template for your letters if writing is not your strong point, and make any changes to address different recipients and or personal changes:

March 00 2011

Prime Minister Stephen Harper

Office of the Prime Minister
80 Wellington Street
Ottawa, ON K1A 0A2

Firearms Request

Dear Mr. Prime Minister,

Let me start by saying that I am a supporter of the Conservative Government. Your leadership has already been proven multiple times by your party addressing current issues such as the economy.

Now, I would like to make a request on the behalf of thousands of Canadians. This request pertains to a specific model of firearm that due to Order In Council was prohibited. This model is known as the FN FAL. The FAL was prohibited based solely on looks, and influence by paranoia as well as the anti-gun lobby.

The FAL is a major part of not only Canadian History, but also the entre western world. The FAL and variants, such as the Canadian C1A1, were used by the majority of NATO nations and played a major role in the history of the world. The fact that Myself, as well as millions of other law abiding firearms owner cannot own a piece of history unless we are “grandfathered” to own one, is a insult to me and an affront to my freedoms as a Canadian.

Therefore, my request is that once your government claims a proper majority government, that you remove the FAL and variants from the prohibited firearms list, and allow it to be classified in the same manner as any other legal firearm as per the guidelines set out in the Firearms Act as the FAL is a fine rifle and is more then capable of being used for hunting, as well as target shooting.

I await your response, and thank you for your excellent leadership of Canada. Please take my request seriously, and take this fine rifle off the prohibited list so that myself, and millions of Canadians may enjoy this fine rifle and piece of history.

Sincerely,
(Name)


Remember, not to long, keep it focused (don't ask for ten different things), polite, and not to "bossy" but still have enough athority to remind him/her that they work for you.
 
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Not going to happen was prohibed because it was easly converted to automatic.. so they prohibed them all..
 
haha49 said:
Not going to happen was prohibed because it was easly converted to automatic.. so they prohibed them all..
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No only in the coverted autos is this an issue. There are models that were built semi auto only that cannot be converted to full auto.


Rest assured I will be writing a letter and getting all my friends too aswell. The sad part is most people will not do it and just say that it wont help and wont change anything. Well it wont if you dont write a letter. There is a chance of success if we all band together. This is an important part of our heritage, we should not and cannot let these pieces of history pass into obscurity and gloom at the back of the safes across canada.

Come on guys we can do this.


Cheers, McLean
 
Why the focus on the FAL? I toted on for nearly a decade.. it's a good firearm and all.. but there are other .308 slugthrowers that are just as good or better.

obviously if the government agreed then it would basically crack open the entire body of legislation to additional challenges.

It would make more sense to challenge the specific law that makes this firearm prohibited so that all firearms in it's class would see a change in their classification.
 
Why the focus on the FAL?
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Because of its place in Canadian history, its availability, its awesomeness, etc. Canada was the first country to adopt the FN FAL if memory serves correctly..
 
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Good idea .... The FN is a great gun, I used it myself in the army in South Africa, we call it an R1 though. ( a couple of small differences )

Why not copy and paste the letter you wrote so we can use the same letter and just sign it with our own name.
I am sure every letter dont need to be unique and lots of people are not very good at writing letters like that.
You will also get a lot more people sending such a letter.

Will even post it on the Facebook page below.



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Bentleg said:
Why the focus on the FAL? I toted on for nearly a decade.. it's a good firearm and all.. but there are other .308 slugthrowers that are just as good or better.

obviously if the government agreed then it would basically crack open the entire body of legislation to additional challenges.

It would make more sense to challenge the specific law that makes this firearm prohibited so that all firearms in it's class would see a change in their classification.
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Like I mentioned, out of all the firearms on the List, the FAL is the only one we have any chance of getting removed due to historical significance. Its also bass a**.

All the other firearms like the AK or the MP5 unfortunately have as much of a chance of getting legal again, as us getting CCW. The mentality of the people will have to change first.

Remember to state historical significance in your letters, its the main argument we have.
 
LeeEnfieldNo.4_mk1 said:
Like I mentioned, out of all the firearms on the List, the FAL is the only one we have any chance of getting removed due to historical significance. Its also bass a**.

All the other firearms like the AK or the MP5 unfortunately have as much of a chance of getting legal again, as us getting CCW. The mentality of the people will have to change first.

Remember to state historical significance in your letters, its the main argument we have.
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I'll write one, I"ve got a soft spot for the old C1. I'm also going to include the AR's. I miss hunting coyotes with my AR.
 
mrclean89 said:
No only in the coverted autos is this an issue. There are models that were built semi auto only that cannot be converted to full auto.


Rest assured I will be writing a letter and getting all my friends too aswell. The sad part is most people will not do it and just say that it wont help and wont change anything. Well it wont if you dont write a letter. There is a chance of success if we all band together. This is an important part of our heritage, we should not and cannot let these pieces of history pass into obscurity and gloom at the back of the safes across canada.

Come on guys we can do this.


Cheers, McLean
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i take it you didn't serve with one- well, they ALL can be converted in SECONDS to full auto WITH BITS FROM YOUR RAT-PACK - a matchstick, piece of tin can, or just about anything with the right dimensions stuck in the proper place will accompish this feat- and typically your w/o or senior nco KNOWS where to put it- he then passes this 'KNOWLEDGE" ON TO LOWER ranks- by the end of basic , everyone including the office clreks knew how
 
and the rest of us who used other firearms can argue "discrimination on racist grounds- that should open the door for the g3 and m14- or maybe religious- ie the kirpan thing
 
t-star said:
and the rest of us who used other firearms can argue "discrimination on racist grounds- that should open the door for the g3 and m14- or maybe religious- ie the kirpan thing
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That's one of the arguments I used too.

Here's my letter. I'm just going to email it since the postage on sending letters would be better spent on something more immediate and urgent, like the LGR.

Dear [INSERT NAME HERE],

I am writing to you today to ask you to help preserve a piece of Canadian history, more specifically, FN FAL type rifles. These rifles are currently “Prohibited” according to the Firearms Act, in my opinion (and the opinion of many) for no good reason. When the owners of these firearms die, they will be sent for destruction, and a part of our heritage will be destroyed. I call on you to help get the classification changed from prohibited to non-restricted.

Canada’s military used the firearm from 1955 to 1987, designated the C1, before it was replaced by the C7. It was used by over 90 countries, and earned a well-deserved reputation as “The Right Arm of the Free World” serving in many conflicts and Peacekeeping operations worldwide. Although some versions of the firearm are fully automatic, a vast many were produced as semi automatic due to the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge almost overpowering the design and making it almost uncontrollable during fully automatic fire. In fact, Canada’s military used semi automatic versions. Many veterans of the military liked the firearm. Since it was retired 24 years ago, most of the men who used it have long since retired from the military as well. Some of them managed to purchase versions of the rifle before it was classified as prohibited, therefore being allowed to keep it, but not be able to fire it, even at a government approved range. How does it make any sense that we allowed these fine men and women to use this tool to serve our country, but we don’t trust them enough to use it safely in their civilian lives?

I would like to draw your attention to another firearm, called the M14. It was designed and put into service around the same time as the FAL, is chambered in the same caliber, and also is fully automatic. Currently, semi automatic copies of the M14 are available to gun owners in Canada, and are classified as non-restricted. Why is one rifle deemed non-restricted, when such a similar rifle is prohibited?

I would also like to show you an example of just who would use this firearm for legal and safe purposes. I haven’t been involved in the firearm community for very long, but one of the reasons I am is because of my friend and mentor, who has owned firearms since he was my age. He is now in his 40’s, is a Professional Engineer, and has a wife and two kids. He served as a reservist when he was younger, and owns two FALs. He also runs Ontario Rifle Association Precision Rifle matches, and is the Range Safety Officer for them. He has never committed a crime in his life, and although he spends a lot of money on this hobby and has many firearms, he has never failed to provide a safe and comfortable life for his family. This person is one example of many. Why should law-abiding, respectful, and patriotic citizens like this be disallowed to use one model of firearm, when they have handled so many others in their lives safely?

Thank you for your time,
Kyle M****** (Age 18)
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Could you guys help me correct any spelling errors, and any facts I'm wrong or unsure about (i.e. The C1 as issued was in fact semi auto, right? And women were allowed in the Combat Arms when the C1 was in service, right? (1982-1987)
 
.30/06 FTW said:
That's one of the arguments I used too.

Here's my letter. I'm just going to email it since the postage on sending letters would be better spent on something more immediate and urgent, like the LGR.



Could you guys help me correct any spelling errors, and any facts I'm wrong or unsure about (i.e. The C1 as issued was in fact semi auto, right? And women were allowed in the Combat Arms when the C1 was in service, right? (1982-1987)
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Only issue I see, is the M-14 is prohibited due to it being "converted auto", not by name according to the RCMP techs. It would have to go to a court and we would have to prove that the M-14's were semi-auto to start, and had to have the parts kits installed. of coarse, they would then pull the "easily convertible to semi auto" BS on us.
 
LeeEnfieldNo.4_mk1 said:
Only issue I see, is the M-14 is prohibited due to it being "converted auto", not by name according to the RCMP techs. It would have to go to a court and we would have to prove that the M-14's were semi-auto to start, and had to have the parts kits installed. of coarse, they would then pull the "easily convertible to semi auto" BS on us.
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But a politician wouldn't necessarily know that right? I mean, look at the state of this country.
 
LeeEnfieldNo.4_mk1 said:
Only issue I see, is the M-14 is prohibited due to it being "converted auto", not by name according to the RCMP techs. It would have to go to a court and we would have to prove that the M-14's were semi-auto to start, and had to have the parts kits installed. of coarse, they would then pull the "easily convertible to semi auto" BS on us.
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we've PROVEN that the m14 did INDEED start out as a semi-auto rifle,all the way to scoc who were UNWILLING to listen to dat- and we also got torpedoed by the usbatf, who said that 1) once a machine gun,ALWAYS a machine gun, and in THEIR view the m14 WAS A MACHINE GUN- ie select fire, and EVEN WITH THE OFFENDING LUG REMOVED, it was still a MACHINE gun .well, the LIBERAL APPOINTED SCOC took this to heart, and it's now flogging a dead horse because of precedents - there was also a NOTE sent to the scoc from the batf, that said " it would not be in the BEST INTRESTS of the united states government to allow the m14 rilfle et al to become unrestricted" . SO WE LOST ON 2 FRONTS- and in effect we have 2 governments working against us in this case
 
Bentleg said:
Why the focus on the FAL?
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For me, it is because the FAL is a legend. It was the rifle my father carried, my grand father carried, the three of my uncles carried. The rifle I wanted to carry. You still talk to some of the older guys in the CF and they smile and regale you with tales of the old FN C1A1, they didn't care that it was big and heavy, it worked, and fired a big round.

It was ther right arm of the free world, it was the rifle that fought communism that world over (wether that was right or wrong is irrelevant) It was the rifle Canadian peace keepers carried at the Golan Heights, in Cyrpus, and staring down the Soviets in Europe.

Yet despite that fact that it is no more deadly then any hunting rifle currently available, it was arbitrarily banned, along with countless others, based purely on looks.
 
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