Deer Dogs blue tic vs. beagle

[captonion]

actually, it does- i hunt either pre or post , but not during

Pre rut...YES! There really isn't a post rut for bucks until/nearing the end of December.Even then the buck has been run ragged. A doe might be fine,provinding it isn't in heat. It's a gamble either way. Like you said...Preparing, and aging the meat that you get properly is by far the best way to have tasty meat in your freezer.

If you have no way to age properly(18-21 days) it might be best to sausage, or pepperette a rutting buck.

 

[blasted_saber]

Hey lets jump on our fellow hunters despite not actually knowing anything about the topic (that much is obvious from your posts).

Ive hunted, and eaten deer that have been run by dogs, and bang flops. Any given fawn, doe, buck in similar condition previous to the hunt (ie hasnt been chased by a dog) will taste the same as a deer run by a dog. Taste is dependent more on; stage of the rut, age, what the deer has been eating, and manner in which the animal is cared for post-death.

And deer absolutely know the difference between dogs and wolves. Growing up we had deer overwinter on our property. They often would bed less then 50m from our dogs. Would they do that with wolves? No, im betting.

Another thing - Deer far more often are not running terrified from dogs. Its a myth by those who dont do it.

But hey, please continue to throw your fellow hunters under the bus and talk out of your ass regarding a completely LEGAL hunting technique.

 

[track]

actually, it does- i hunt either pre or post , but not during- and very few know how to age the meat propely, or how to take care of it post shot- there's nothing worse than draping it over the roof or trunk lid of a hot car and driving home- far better to drain it,quarter , and stick it in the trunk, on plastic- i use 6 mil painter's plastic drop sheets or thicker so i don't get my trunk bloody

I never ate post rut deer.............usually the hunting season is closed by post rut and that will be sometime after December 15 to 20. (Pre-rut, breeding, post-rut and then Christmas) HHHMMM interesting? After the kill the following is completed within 1 1/2 hours or less: photos, gut, skin, cheese cloth and hang. Now back to the first question, I know that walkers, blue ticks, black and tans are the best on deer, their long legged, bigger lungs and can go faster and longer..............beagles lack in these areas. My father and I have photos of 8, 10, 12 deer hanging with hounds in the foreground. Beagles can and will run deer, however their excellence is noted behind rabbits.

 

[t-star]

Hey lets jump on our fellow hunters despite not actually knowing anything about the topic (that much is obvious from your posts).

Ive hunted, and eaten deer that have been run by dogs, and bang flops. Any given fawn, doe, buck in similar condition previous to the hunt (ie hasnt been chased by a dog) will taste the same as a deer run by a dog. Taste is dependent more on; stage of the rut, age, what the deer has been eating, and manner in which the animal is cared for post-death.

And deer absolutely know the difference between dogs and wolves. Growing up we had deer overwinter on our property. They often would bed less then 50m from our dogs. Would they do that with wolves? No, im betting.

Another thing - Deer far more often are not running terrified from dogs. Its a myth by those who dont do it.

But hey, please continue to throw your fellow hunters under the bus and talk out of your ass regarding a completely LEGAL hunting technique.

hey, i was discussing the flavour of the meat, not thowing my fellow hunters under the bus- how the heck did you make THAT connection? i sometimes do things that are legal too, but not ethical

 

[t-star]

I never ate post rut deer.............usually the hunting season is closed by post rut and that will be sometime after December 15 to 20. (Pre-rut, breeding, post-rut and then Christmas) HHHMMM interesting? After the kill the following is completed within 1 1/2 hours or less: photos, gut, skin, cheese cloth and hang. Now back to the first question, I know that walkers, blue ticks, black and tans are the best on deer, their long legged, bigger lungs and can go faster and longer..............beagles lack in these areas. My father and I have photos of 8, 10, 12 deer hanging with hounds in the foreground. Beagles can and will run deer, however their excellence is noted behind rabbits.

you could eat post rut deer if you were first nations' or maybe had a sustaince license- that last bit i don't know about

 

[cz858hunter]

And deer absolutely know the difference between dogs and wolves. Growing up we had deer overwinter on our property. They often would bed less then 50m from our dogs. Would they do that with wolves? No, im betting.

Another thing - Deer far more often are not running terrified from dogs. Its a myth by those who dont do it.

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iv seen similar circumstances of deer activity close to the dogs coops.

even the younger deer dont take long in those two weeks to figure out the difference between a wolf and a couple bawlin screamin hounds.

and your right about them not always running terrified. lots of deer come sneakin out after the dogs are gone by because they stay calm and pick a safe route (or so they think)

 

[blasted_saber]

hey, i was discussing the flavour of the meat, not thowing my fellow hunters under the bus- how the heck did you make THAT connection? i sometimes do things that are legal too, but not ethical

Sorry, ive waged this battle a few times and maybe over reacted a bit.

Although my interest is piqued that you say its not ethical....

 

[brybenn]

My beagles are meant for rabbits but when they hit deer they're gone. Thru anything. Even had them swim the thames river after deer. They don't come back. Ever. We go in a get them and carry or drag them out. We've lost dogs that took upto 2 weeks to get back. I love hunting over dogs never done deer tho. My basset hound that's sound asleep on my feet right now won't even humm on a deer tract. Just bunnys n coons. Ythe odd fresh squirrel to

 

[t-star]

Sorry, ive waged this battle a few times and maybe over reacted a bit.

Although my interest is piqued that you say its not ethical....

well, there are purists and then there are purists- i use a horse, which some say ain't hunting- i can, also by treaty, hunt whatever/whenever i like, which some claim to be unetheical- i CHOOSE not to unless i can't get werke- i'm probably 10x as effective with a horse as you are with your dogs-and i don't have to tote when i score- two poles, and a blanket take it out for me- although lately i've switched to a tarp

 

[blasted_saber]

well, there are purists and then there are purists- i use a horse, which some say ain't hunting- i can, also by treaty, hunt whatever/whenever i like, which some claim to be unetheical- i CHOOSE not to unless i can't get werke- i'm probably 10x as effective with a horse as you are with your dogs-and i don't have to tote when i score- two poles, and a blanket take it out for me- although lately i've switched to a tarp

Good for you. Im going to assume you have no experience with hunting in central-northern Ontario where dogs are typically used? A horse would be just about useless in the bush here.

FYI my camp no longer uses dogs as its not worth the time and effort to care for them all year for a two week hunt. But I will never condemn those who do, or call them unethical.

We now use a "dogger" or two to push the deer where we want them to go.

 

[t-star]

a horse is NEVER "useless' - i've had one just about since i was borne, and are probably more adept than most folks on one- like i said, i DO have experience on hunting with hounds , just not ONTARIO experience- IF THAT MATTERS-if i was hunting with you guys, i'd just ride old smokey up ahead aways, out of your cone of fire of course, and take the deer as he came out into the open- THANKS GUYS- and there's NOTHING you can do about that- that's what i mean about unethecial

 

[captonion]

a horse is NEVER "useless' - i've had one just about since i was borne, and are probably more adept than most folks on one- like i said, i DO have experience on hunting with hounds , just not ONTARIO experience- IF THAT MATTERS-if i was hunting with you guys, i'd just ride old smokey up ahead aways, out of your cone of fire of course, and take the deer as he came out into the open-

This is too funny...

On the upside, Ontario has party hunting, and someone could fill your tag for you!

 

[blasted_saber]

a horse is NEVER "useless' - i've had one just about since i was borne, and are probably more adept than most folks on one- like i said, i DO have experience on hunting with hounds , just not ONTARIO experience- IF THAT MATTERS-if i was hunting with you guys, i'd just ride old smokey up ahead aways, out of your cone of fire of course, and take the deer as he came out into the open- THANKS GUYS- and there's NOTHING you can do about that- that's what i mean about unethecial

Open?

What open?

"Open" doesnt exist in most of Ontario.

 

[t-star]

Open?

What open?

"Open" doesnt exist in most of Ontario.

well, unless you get power by osmosis, there's GOT to be transmission lines, and those mean cut lines- are you trying to tell me that there's NO open ground between james bay and 3 rivers- well, that just ain't gonna fly- just like that b.s. about ontario being "central " canada- my nothern ontario ( and that ain't REALLY NORTH either) cousins would tell me different , and they use horses

 

[blasted_saber]

well, unless you get power by osmosis, there's GOT to be transmission lines, and those mean cut lines- are you trying to tell me that there's NO open ground between james bay and 3 rivers- well, that just ain't gonna fly- just like that b.s. about ontario being "central " canada- my nothern ontario ( and that ain't REALLY NORTH either) cousins would tell me different , and they use horses

Dude, you really havent a clue. Im not going to argue with you about how I should hunt in my backyard. Im not telling you how to hunt in yours.

 

[DVXDUDE]

I like the little beagles. They will get the deer up and moving but wont run them out of the block. The deer will run for a bit then stop and listen to hear if the dogs are still coming. Not like the bigger dogs that will put more of a run on the deer, making it hard to get a shot.


just my opinion, keep the walkers,redbones,blue tic, plotts for running coyotes.

 

[Camper]

well, unless you get power by osmosis, there's GOT to be transmission lines, and those mean cut lines- are you trying to tell me that there's NO open ground between james bay and 3 rivers- well, that just ain't gonna fly- just like that b.s. about ontario being "central " canada- my nothern ontario ( and that ain't REALLY NORTH either) cousins would tell me different , and they use horses

Sad. I love when people talk out of their arses. You really don't have a clue do you?

 

[t-star]

Sad. I love when people talk out of their arses. You really don't have a clue do you?

so ENLIGHTEN ME-if you're talking about the central canada bit, take a pair of dividers, put one point on victoria, the other on st john's and measure- than half the distance- that puts you just east of winnipeg- by definition, that's central: ie a midpoint between two extreme points.
if you're talking about the north , your northernmost point in ontario is roughly the same latitude as edmonton- hardly north and while we're at it, canada is defined as "anything north of the 49th parallel- so what does that make anything SOUTH?- americans

 

[blasted_saber]

so ENLIGHTEN ME-if you're talking about the central canada bit, take a pair of dividers, put one point on victoria, the other on st john's and measure- than half the distance- that puts you just east of winnipeg- by definition, that's central: ie a midpoint between two extreme points.
if you're talking about the north , your northernmost point in ontario is roughly the same latitude as edmonton- hardly north and while we're at it, canada is defined as "anything north of the 49th parallel- so what does that make anything SOUTH?- americans

I think hes referring to your comments about using horses for hunting, your comments about terrain in a place you've never been to

This is a typical bush in central Ontario. Mixed hardwood with lots of wet swampy areas. I really have no idea how you think a horse is going to be of benefit here. You wont be riding ahead of anyone, or sneaking along a trail, because they dont exist unless we make them. Hunters generally have a hard enough time of walking around without poking their eyes out, let alone riding something.

Almost everything in Ontario is shot under 100m. Its not because we're bad shots, its because YOU CANT SEE ANY FURTHER THEN THAT. I'd bet almost everything is shot under 50m for that reason actually.

Transmission lines for power generally run along the highway. So, ya, they arent very prolific throughout most of Ontario.

But whatever, continue to think you know what your talking about.

 

[t-star]

that;s no worse than lousiana swamp, maybe easier- and i have done that with mud up to the horse's chest