Any Dimensionally Accurate MP5 Airsoft Replicas?

[heckler]

replicas

Not sure I'm understanding this.... how is it different than putting the widely available Tommy Gun kits on a 10/22?

Theoretically there should be no issue...but,I have been chasing the CFO and CFC/RCMP about this very question for several months now. even posted about a week ago looking for input from those that may be in the know.
The best "guidelines" or "guist" I can get from them is:
No changes to the reciever or any identifying markings(manufacturer)
No modifications that would change Non Res. to a Restricted or prohibited.
OAl,barrel lenth etc...
Have been advised not to do this as there are many areas of the laws that are unclear and loosely interpreted at the whim of CFO/RCMP
They will NOT put any of this in writing for me to use as a guideline. My guess is that they are unclear on the law as written themselves

 

[mrpenguin]

Theoretically there should be no issue...but,I have been chasing the CFO and CFC/RCMP about this very question for several months now. even posted about a week ago looking for input from those that may be in the know.
The best "guidelines" or "guist" I can get from them is:
No changes to the reciever or any identifying markings(manufacturer)
No modifications that would change Non Res. to a Restricted or prohibited.
OAl,barrel lenth etc...
Have been advised not to do this as there are many areas of the laws that are unclear and loosely interpreted at the whim of CFO/RCMP
They will NOT put any of this in writing for me to use as a guideline. My guess is that they are unclear on the law as written themselves

You have been advised NOT to use the Tommy gun kit ??



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[mmattockx]

Not sure I'm understanding this.... how is it different than putting the widely available Tommy Gun kits on a 10/22?

Are you directing this at me, or someone else?

In my case, I am not talking about putting a plastic cover over an existing 10/22 receiver, I am talking about making a new receiver from scratch that looks like an MP5 and uses the guts from a 10/22. It will be manufacturing a new firearm and using some existing 10/22 components in it.

Mark

 

[heckler]

Not the Tommy kit specifically,but known prohibs like the MP5,Sig522,etc...It gets quite complicated,In a nutshell what i'm taking from the conversations i've had is the laws regarding prohibs/restricted don't entirelly cover this,but the laws regarding replicas and clones seem to fill in the blanks and make it a no-no. It gets very detailed and the definitions become more clouded as you dig into this.

Manufacturing a completely new reciever might be the way to go(FRT# for new reciever loaded with 10/22 parts....should make a Varient of 10/22 a known non-restricted) theoreticaly no-prob.

That being said,I had one CFO/RCMP tell me that it should be no different than a "dress up kit".....but not all dress up kits are legal in Canada. So what one takes from that is ????? muddy at best. Then was told make your clone and have a CFO look it over...might be OK... Might ask you to destroy it????

Mmattox's idea might be the way to go--present a new reciever for certification with 10/22 parts,but not fully finished to see the MP5 style furniture... I don't know. Maybe somebody that has gone through the FRT# process could shed some light as to what exactly or generally would be looked at in this process. we all know come classifications make no sense at all...Prohib/restricted by appearance only and not function ie: GSG22,AP74,Sig522 the list is long and full of "varients,clones etc.."

This is all I can offer at this time as I'm still awaiting some correspondence from them. I may have got the right person now that is willing to dig for some clarrification and put it on paper.So far some of the responses have been outright NO's but The fellow I last talked to seemed to be a enthusiest and was interested to know himself and thought it was a neat idea. It may take several months for this to happen but when I get something back from them I will post it.

 

[superbikeracer]

Are you directing this at me, or someone else?

In my case, I am not talking about putting a plastic cover over an existing 10/22 receiver, I am talking about making a new receiver from scratch that looks like an MP5 and uses the guts from a 10/22. It will be manufacturing a new firearm and using some existing 10/22 components in it.

Mark

Was just meant as a general question when talking about modifying 10/22's.... like the tommy gun kits etc. (not in regards to building a custom receiver) I would have guessed as long as you didn't modify the receiver you should be able to do what you want as far as stocks etc. but it seems it may not be as simple.

 

[eg23]

sounds pretty cool. keep us updated please

 

[mrpenguin]

Well I just dont get it .......... isnt the Tommy gun a prohibited gun in Canada ?
Dont get me wrong, I love how we are allowed to buy dress up kits for our 10/22's I just dont understand how they can prohibit one gun on looks alone but allow it as a dress up kit.
And I definitely do not understand how manufacturing your own 10/22 to look like a restricted or prohibited gun and keep it none restricted is legal.

My opinion on this threat is that what he is planning on doing should either be illegal to do or make his 10/22 a restricted gun once he is done.

I wish we can get a politician that can sort out this mess we have with all these stupid gun laws that the courts and RCMP dont even understand.

 

[mmattockx]

sounds pretty cool. keep us updated please

I wouldn't hold you breath. I am swamped with work and it doesn't look like stopping anytime soon. This is definitely a sideburner project at best. I have a buddy's 10/22 right now for taking internal receiver dimensions from and getting the bolt and trigger grouop measured up. After that will be lots of time tinkering with a solid model to get something I like.

And I definitely do not understand how manufacturing your own 10/22 to look like a restricted or prohibited gun and keep it none restricted is legal.

Replica guns are illegal because they look like a gun, but aren't, and there were no controls on their sale. The rules say nothing about making one gun (an actual gun) look like another one.

Classifications are supposedly based on technical features, not looks, so there is no reason for an MP5 look alike to be restricted if it meets the requirements for non-restricted (in this case, minimum OAL of 26"). Avoiding it being classified as a prohib may be more problematic, simply because the MP5 is a named prohib and the RCMP have demonstrated an afinity for prohibiting based solely on appearance and details bedamned.

Mark

 

[mrpenguin]

I wouldn't hold you breath. I am swamped with work and it doesn't look like stopping anytime soon. This is definitely a sideburner project at best. I have a buddy's 10/22 right now for taking internal receiver dimensions from and getting the bolt and trigger grouop measured up. After that will be lots of time tinkering with a solid model to get something I like.



Replica guns are illegal because they look like a gun, but aren't, and there were no controls on their sale. The rules say nothing about making one gun (an actual gun) look like another one.

Classifications are supposedly based on technical features, not looks, so there is no reason for an MP5 look alike to be restricted if it meets the requirements for non-restricted (in this case, minimum OAL of 26"). Avoiding it being classified as a prohib may be more problematic, simply because the MP5 is a named prohib and the RCMP have demonstrated an afinity for prohibiting based solely on appearance and details bedamned.

Mark

Totally ridiculous ! If I can change one law and one law only in Canada it would be this stupid thing of prohibiting a gun solely on its appearance.


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