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So I can get once fired shells from the shooting club but I dont see these types in my Lyman 5th edition book can somebody help me out??

Once Fired Hulls:

Winchester AA Hulls – once fired 6 cents each 500+/- hulls for $30.00

Challenger Hulls – once fired 3 cents each 500+/- hulls for $15.00

Remington Gun Club Hulls – once fired 4 cents each 500+/- hulls for $20.00

I am assuming to go with the AA's but I dont se them in the book.
I am new to reloading so hopeing to get a little help here
 
For Winchester AA use the data listed for Winchester AAHs

For Challenger use the data listed for Cheddite. Watch the crimps however. Some Challenger 12 gauge has a 6 point crimp instead of 8.

Modern Remington Gun Club can be loaded with Remington STS or Remington Nitro data.
 
srpiasta said:
I am assumin the AA hulls are the better ones??
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Well they are and they aren't. The old style AA's were one piece Hulls the new AA's are a 2 piece Hull and are not as good. They can be distinguished by their logo. On the old style hull the AA logo is squared out on the new ones it is not.
The Rem. Gun Clubs for a budget shell are excellent to reload.
 
Win AA compression formed case data is very common and should be in all loading manuels...newer HS hulls load with the same data. Gun Clubs load very nice and use STS data. I'd toss the Cheddites and focus on the two aforementioned.
 
If you get a chance take one of each and cut them in half legnth ways. I did that with as many different types as I could. It gives you a better understanding of how they are made. Paper basewads in Federal, 2 piece plastic in Win. super target(the HS) and new winAA and chedite brands, Compression formed in the old WinAA and Rem gunclub,sts, nitro 27
 
HS stands for High Strength I believe. If it was me I'd load up the Gun Club hulls. The old Win AA are great, but the new Win AAHS are just a fraction shorter, and I personally have a bugger of a time getting them to completely close up the crimp.

I haven't tried the Gun Club hulls yet personally, but from all reports they are the best hull currently readily available. I have some on the way to try out.
 
On the left is an old win AA ,the center is a rem gun club and right is a win AAHS.if you look closely you will see the the left and center are made in one piece and the win AAHS on the right has a darker red section at the base which is seperate from the shell body.
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K one last question well two, Is the new AA shell ok to use as a reload and in the Lyman book it gives a grain count how do you convert to oz for the scale to ensure I have the right recipie?

Sorry for so many questions but I want to be able to update you guys on my reloading not read about me being killed with a boom
 
Yes AAHS hulls are good for reloading :) .437.5 grains is equal to 1 oz .If you get your self a proper powder scale that measures in grains it will be better.no chance of errors in doing math.you may find it easier to measure in meteric if you don't have a powder scale that measures in grains. 28.35 grams = 1 oz so 437.5grains divided by 28.35 grams =15.432 grains = 1 gram :) grains to grams converter http://www.metric-conversion.biz/convert+grains+to+grams.htm
 
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Scar270 said:
The old Win AA are great, but the new Win AAHS are just a fraction shorter, and I personally have a bugger of a time getting them to completely close up the crimp.
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When the HS came out Winchester gave out this statement:

"Winchester has designed the new 12-gauge AA high strength hull to reload with the same reloading data as the old AA hull. However, on some reloading machines, even though the components and reloading data are the same, there may need to be a minor crimp station adjustment made. Please contact your reloading machine manufacturer if you need assistance adjusting your crimp station. Shooters have found that after making a slight adjustment to the reloading machines good quality crimps and long reloading life are consistently obtained with the new AA high strength hull."

What that means if you call MEC is to lower the precrimp die. Lower it to the point the hole left in the middle is the size of a pencil eraser or a bit smaller.
Do that and they crimp beautifully.

I've compared the lifespan between the old style compression formed AA and the HS and find little difference. I like loading the old style better on a single stage as they seem gummier and the crimp station has a better feel. On a progressive it makes no difference. Wad problems when the HS first came out have all been solved. Really though, the HS hull is light years ahead of most with the exception of maybe the Remington STS. I get 12-15 loads out of an HS hull before the petals are cracked and burnt and won't crimp right or hold shot from dribbling out.
 
srpiasta said:
K one last question well two, Is the new AA shell ok to use as a reload and in the Lyman book it gives a grain count how do you convert to oz for the scale to ensure I have the right recipie?

Sorry for so many questions but I want to be able to update you guys on my reloading not read about me being killed with a boom
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Dont worry about the questions. Better to ask them here than to make an assumption leading to a catastrophe.

You can convert to ounces but it is better to get a scale that measures in grains.
 
Labatt50 said:
When the HS came out Winchester gave out this statement:

"Winchester has designed the new 12-gauge AA high strength hull to reload with the same reloading data as the old AA hull. However, on some reloading machines, even though the components and reloading data are the same, there may need to be a minor crimp station adjustment made. Please contact your reloading machine manufacturer if you need assistance adjusting your crimp station. Shooters have found that after making a slight adjustment to the reloading machines good quality crimps and long reloading life are consistently obtained with the new AA high strength hull."

What that means if you call MEC is to lower the precrimp die. Lower it to the point the hole left in the middle is the size of a pencil eraser or a bit smaller.
Do that and they crimp beautifully.

I've compared the lifespan between the old style compression formed AA and the HS and find little difference. I like loading the old style better on a single stage as they seem gummier and the crimp station has a better feel. On a progressive it makes no difference. Wad problems when the HS first came out have all been solved. Really though, the HS hull is light years ahead of most with the exception of maybe the Remington STS. I get 12-15 loads out of an HS hull before the petals are cracked and burnt and won't crimp right or hold shot from dribbling out.
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Thanks for the information, I have tried that, but on my PW machine, I start to damage the hulls with the precrimp before I can get the hole to go away. The crimps still are enough to keep in 7 1/2 shot, but it irks me that there is a hole. I hope to try a different crimp starter tool, which may allow me to get better crimps. However I just aquired access to a very large supply of STS hulls, so that will also work out I hope.
 
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