Where did you dig?
I've been digging and can't come up with anything less than 839.
Mini-14 or Norc M305?
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I've been digging and can't come up with anything less than 839.
Hard to tell, they only have the target model listed on their site
Looks like they may have sold out of them. They were listed right above the Target model on the list. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to call them just to make absolutely sure that they're out of them. No sense in missing out if there's still a chance you may be able to get one for that price.
And Jesus Christ, the PM's I get about where and what I shoot.
Im a copper, who is against firearms prohibitions for regular folks like the membership here, likes things that make big bangs, and sharp things too.
I shoot with a closed group.
There is anti-cop posters here so I do not want to make it an issue.
But the wealth of knowledge on this forum is unreal. Second to none.
Im a copper, who is against firearms prohibitions for regular folks like the membership here, likes things that make big bangs, and sharp things too.
I shoot with a closed group.
There is anti-cop posters here so I do not want to make it an issue.
But the wealth of knowledge on this forum is unreal. Second to none.
changing mags is relatively easy for the mini 15 and the M305. it just takes getting used to.
i was an officer in the u.s. army, and had an m-16 (fully auto ar 15). no matter what ar guys say, the accuracy of the new mini 14 (i have the collapsible stock, 'black rifle look' and flash suppressor) and a more expensive ar (up to at least $1200 in the u.s.) is the same. it's about the person firing the weapon.
i ordered 6 promag magazines, 30 rounders, and they're rumored to be pretty good. we'll soon see. like you said, if they work right (and all reviews seem to say they are), then the new ruger mini 14s can compete with the ar's in terms of performance and price of mags.
oh yeah, the o.p. wanted to keep his weapons non-restricted.
LOL...i've got two of the ATI versions. i made sure i can import them into canada.
you can't go wrong with the mini.
it's a shame that canada limits folk to only 5 round mags. nothing is more fun than rapid firing a 20 or 30 round magazine. LOL. hopefully, ONE DAY, canada will rid itself of that moronic law.
until then, i'll keep a couple of mini 14s and ars across the border, with my 20-30 round mags, and have a couple of mini 14s in canada.
good luck with your purchase.
Mystic Precision
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Oops, missed that part. Then its the mini 14, or HK SL8 or Tavor....
I take it you are not Canadian cause mags for the mini14 are beaucoup coin AND you have to figure out a way to pin them before importation.
Yes, mag changes would be no more difficult then an AK or CZ/VZ. Just different and something to learn. BUT I sure like the no brainer - hit mag release and slam the next mag home.
Surefire has a youtube vid on their new super high cap mag. The mag is interesting but not relevant for us up here. What impressed me was the way the shooter handled his M4/M16. That is a whole bunch of practise and skill.
Well, I have spent a some time tuning my mini 14 target and can say, I am blown away by the accuracy. Just repeated a load that shot sub MOA at 100yds.
I group 5rds, 1 group 3 rds. Average is 5/8" and the two groups superimpose over each other.
Pleased and stunned.
Now to see how it does at longer distances.
Jerry
tactical lever
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something completely different
Sorry, sometimes I have trouble colouring inside the lines. What I would suggest 1st, if I'm reading right and you have no rifle is a Ruger 10-22. Pick whatever flavour suits you, but no battery is complete without one. I finally got one after many years of thinking this, and whaddya know, I was right! A plethora of accessories and parts, reliability and not to mention being able to shoot all day on $20 and fairly quietly makes this a must have for any serious shooter, no matter your game.
2nd, I believe you want to compete and have a patrol rifle of some sort? Does't sound like you hand load, but it's something you will probably want to get into.
For the non handloader who wants something with a little more punch than a .22 I think a 9mm JR carbine may be something to consider. It's not a long range proposition, but with a rifle length barrel it's got a considerable bit more punch than your Glock in 9mm. Plus, if your Glock is 9mm, you can share ammo and legal 10 round mags with it. Ammo is fairly cheap, cheaper than .223 at approx. 15+ dollars/50 rounds. I think theres a couple sources where you can get it for about 20 cents a round. I have no personal experience with this machine however, so you'll have to do your own research if it's interesting to you.
Next, I was going to suggest a sks, but it probably isn't going to fit your criterion as a patrol rifle. A CZ 858 (or whatever the non-restricteds are called) may though. Cheap, corrosive surplus is readily available at $180-220/1120 rounds. These would be non reloadable, although the reloadable boxer primed non-corrosive brass case soft point stuff is readily available, as well as bullets. I hear good things about these, cheap mags, scopable, different stock options and not punishing to shoot for long periods. Accuracy is reportedly "decent".
What I would probably get (if I were you, and also if I were I and had some extra money) would be the Benelli MR-1. It's gas piston operated, with Benelli's special ARGO system like the shotguns. If I recall right it's got the Wylde chambering (so it's compatable with both the .223 and 5.56 NATO round), takes AR mags (legal 10 rounders, due to an AR pistol being available), chrome lined bore while not condusive to stellar accuracy is tough and easily cleaned. On the chrome bore note, I hear these are quite accurate.
These are expensive, around $1700, and again you will want to get into handloading because the cheap stuff is not so cheap either.
While I wouldn't turn my nose up at an M-305 (I've got one), unless you're reloading, it's gonna get expensive fast. Some guys are shooting cast, and if you get into that you can shoot for pennies, although you'll still be as high as 9mm loaded is cost wise. An adjustable gas bleed would be good to have for some lighter loads as well. While it's a heavy rifle and the gas system soaks up a lot of recoil, it's probably gonna bother you after 100 rounds, especially if you're an infrequent shooter. A real recoil pad (like limb saver) to replace the steel thing would be a definite plus.
Whew! Did I miss anything?
Sorry, sometimes I have trouble colouring inside the lines. What I would suggest 1st, if I'm reading right and you have no rifle is a Ruger 10-22. Pick whatever flavour suits you, but no battery is complete without one. I finally got one after many years of thinking this, and whaddya know, I was right! A plethora of accessories and parts, reliability and not to mention being able to shoot all day on $20 and fairly quietly makes this a must have for any serious shooter, no matter your game.
2nd, I believe you want to compete and have a patrol rifle of some sort? Does't sound like you hand load, but it's something you will probably want to get into.
For the non handloader who wants something with a little more punch than a .22 I think a 9mm JR carbine may be something to consider. It's not a long range proposition, but with a rifle length barrel it's got a considerable bit more punch than your Glock in 9mm. Plus, if your Glock is 9mm, you can share ammo and legal 10 round mags with it. Ammo is fairly cheap, cheaper than .223 at approx. 15+ dollars/50 rounds. I think theres a couple sources where you can get it for about 20 cents a round. I have no personal experience with this machine however, so you'll have to do your own research if it's interesting to you.
Next, I was going to suggest a sks, but it probably isn't going to fit your criterion as a patrol rifle. A CZ 858 (or whatever the non-restricteds are called) may though. Cheap, corrosive surplus is readily available at $180-220/1120 rounds. These would be non reloadable, although the reloadable boxer primed non-corrosive brass case soft point stuff is readily available, as well as bullets. I hear good things about these, cheap mags, scopable, different stock options and not punishing to shoot for long periods. Accuracy is reportedly "decent".
What I would probably get (if I were you, and also if I were I and had some extra money) would be the Benelli MR-1. It's gas piston operated, with Benelli's special ARGO system like the shotguns. If I recall right it's got the Wylde chambering (so it's compatable with both the .223 and 5.56 NATO round), takes AR mags (legal 10 rounders, due to an AR pistol being available), chrome lined bore while not condusive to stellar accuracy is tough and easily cleaned. On the chrome bore note, I hear these are quite accurate.
These are expensive, around $1700, and again you will want to get into handloading because the cheap stuff is not so cheap either.
While I wouldn't turn my nose up at an M-305 (I've got one), unless you're reloading, it's gonna get expensive fast. Some guys are shooting cast, and if you get into that you can shoot for pennies, although you'll still be as high as 9mm loaded is cost wise. An adjustable gas bleed would be good to have for some lighter loads as well. While it's a heavy rifle and the gas system soaks up a lot of recoil, it's probably gonna bother you after 100 rounds, especially if you're an infrequent shooter. A real recoil pad (like limb saver) to replace the steel thing would be a definite plus.
Whew! Did I miss anything?
tactical lever
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Fox Creek, Alberta
And Jesus Christ, the PM's I get about where and what I shoot.
Im a copper, who is against firearms prohibitions for regular folks like the membership here, likes things that make big bangs, and sharp things too.
I shoot with a closed group.
There is anti-cop posters here so I do not want to make it an issue.
But the wealth of knowledge on this forum is unreal. Second to none.
Hey, don't sweat the anti-cop thing. I think you'll find for the vast majority that this a pro-cop site. Even the bashers are rarely taking personal shots. Even if it sounds like it. Chaulk it up to a couple bad experiences or too much negative exposure. Not too many of us pipe up about the good cop experiences, but I guess it goes with the territory. So don't take it personal if we get into one of these disagreements, with lots of this,
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.So when you say you shoot with a closed group, you mean only other cops?
Doesn't that get kind of boring beating all those guys and gals with dusty, seized up firearms constantly?
I had shoot mini-14 , bushmaster ar-15 and norinco m4 , in canada mini-14 is non restricted , never jam for 1 single bullet in my seven years of owning , my ar-15 had 1 or 2 improper feeding out of 100 . M4 sears had khown to easily ware and cause unwanted continued firing
Tac Lever, thanks for the write up.
My anti-cop thing is a Lol more than anything.
The PMs I got for shooting was unreal.
For longer range shooting, I came across a Mini-14 (before my computer crash this week) with swapped out barrels. Cant recall the length of them.
Looked nice.
My anti-cop thing is a Lol more than anything.
The PMs I got for shooting was unreal.
For longer range shooting, I came across a Mini-14 (before my computer crash this week) with swapped out barrels. Cant recall the length of them.
Looked nice.
tactical lever
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Fox Creek, Alberta
Was that one of the newer ones you were looking at? The old ones weren't that great for accuracy. I believe the tooling was kind of worn out for the old ones; I don't think it was just the barrels. Never owned one myself, probably because of the 73 or so articles I read about the accuracy of them. I'm not a super shot, just don't like the idea that the rifle isn't much of a help.
I would probably buy one of the newer ones though, but then I wouldn't be able to blame it for my missing.
I took you all serious about the cop thing! If you're around the Edmonton area, you can try out my M-305 and maybe my SR-22. Unfortunately I took a long hiatus from guns so I don't have a huge selection of hardware. I go to Genesee, when I have to.
Just as long as you don't try a hard take down for transporting my non-restricteds on the seat. And please don't tell the rest of the guys, they'll tease me and call me a cop lover!
I would probably buy one of the newer ones though, but then I wouldn't be able to blame it for my missing.
I took you all serious about the cop thing! If you're around the Edmonton area, you can try out my M-305 and maybe my SR-22. Unfortunately I took a long hiatus from guns so I don't have a huge selection of hardware. I go to Genesee, when I have to.
Just as long as you don't try a hard take down for transporting my non-restricteds on the seat. And please don't tell the rest of the guys, they'll tease me and call me a cop lover!
