.223 or 6 NORMA BR ?

Sorry guys got to go with 223 1/7 twist with JLK 580 BC or Bergers 551BC
just plain better from 500 to 1000y and the 223 will shoot all day long in 2s at 100y with the 80 & 90gr bullets, I have seen quite a few 5 shot groups at 300 under .600" with the 224 and a fast twist barrel at 28" or 30"
6mm 107 Bergers 511 BC
Plus the 223 gets you into the F/TR class which is growing way faster than F/O more prize money,
If your going to shoot F/O you should be really looking at the 90gr 224 using a case like the 22/250 pushing them 3200fps expecially that Lapua makes 22/250 brass. run the numbers against the 7mm 180gr Bergers at 2950 fps. no recoil to contend with, way less to reload for
manitou
 
Interesting.

I asked this because I've always bean a .308 and larger cal guy. I was looking at a savage lrpv lastnight and it was calling my name :p.

The idea of having a good gopher gun that can stretch out for 1k target shooting is pretty sweet.

The .223 I've never shot with a 1/7 twist and heavy .90 burgers. Are they really that accurate ? Anyone got target photos? Longest shot I've done with .223 was 600m

The 6mmbr I've never used. I always thought it was a king 1k bench rest round tho? Winning rounds like the 6.5x284. Can someone school me about the 6mmbr?
 
The 6BR will put you in the open class which means you'll compete against all the big guns at extreme long range. Not saying the 6BR won't keep up there, but it is one of the best flexible all round F-Class cartridges. If I had to choose one cartridge for F-Class the 6BR would be it.

The 90gr .223 rounds are the latest rage. We'll see how they keep up with the newer .308 155gr Palma bullets with higher BC's too in the next few years.
 
I have yet to see one of these 223's that shoot in the twos all day long at 100 yards with 80 or 90 grain bullets. I hear about them but, when I see one in action, it usually shoots in the fours, at best. L.E. Wilson had a 223 which would shoot in the twos (actually, it shot better than that) but not with heavy bullets. This was an unlimited BR rifle built for the purpose of shooting small groups at 100 and 200 yards.
I believe the 6BR will flat outshoot the 223 at long range and it would be my first choice for a real good performing "F" class rifle. Regards, Bill
 
AKD said:
Won't be going f-class or anything. Just general long range shooting.

What are u talking 2's n 4's ?
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Usual meaning is 0.2XX" and 0.4XX" 5 shot center to center group sizes at 100 yards. A good short range competition bench gun will shoot in the 0.1XX's and some groups even in the 0.0XX's.
 
manitou210 said:
the 223 will shoot all day long in 2s at 100y with the 80 & 90gr bullets/QUOTE]

I have to disagre a 6 ppc will shoot in the 2's all day long but not a 223 no way.
Ive shot some 223's that shoot good and can get some nice groups at a 100 in the 2's but not consistently ,I have a custom bench gun built by ted Gaillard witchita action 2 oz trigger benchrest stock and this will shoot in the 2's consistently .
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If not going in F class then 6mmBr
If you plan on taking it gopher hunting and want to feed from the magazine you won't get a .223 with 90gr. VLDs to do that but with some mag box mods you can get the 6br feeding.
The 6BR is an inherently accurate cartridge
 
coyote said:
manitou210 said:
the 223 will shoot all day long in 2s at 100y with the 80 & 90gr bullets/QUOTE]

I have to disagre a 6 ppc will shoot in the 2's all day long but not a 223 no way.
Ive shot some 223's that shoot good and can get some nice groups at a 100 in the 2's but not consistently ,I have a custom bench gun built by ted Gaillard witchita action 2 oz trigger benchrest stock and this will shoot in the 2's consistently .
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You haven't shot against Manitou have you;)

NormB
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Sweet thx for the info boys. I always thought the 6mmbr was a more accurate round. Just have never fired one and none of my shooting buds own one either.
 
I agree with the consensus that the 6BR would be the better round. The heavy 22 cal bullets are amazing little things but can't compete with the heavy 6mm bullets at long range when all things considered equal. Have you considered a calibre in 6.5mm? 6.5x47, 6.5 Creedmore, 260 Rem Improved. If you do some research on 6.5 bullets you will see that if propelled at sufficient velocities will have better ballistics than the 300 Win Mag. I shoot against my buddies 300 Win Mag with my 6.5x284 at 1000 yards regularly and always shoot inside his windage and elevation adjustments. Just food for thought. Enjoy your search. Its always a ton of fun shopping for a new rifle!
 
I was looking at a savage 12 lrpv with left port and the 6mmbr was just one of its options.

I agree tho, the 6.5x284 is a hell of a round. I was trying out a friends savage last year and hitting 900y gongs pretty easy. I love the call but i think its just the legend of a quick barrel burner that turns me away.
 
You haven't shot against Manitou have you;)

NormB[/QUOTE]

NormB I'm sure Manitou is a great shot and with the right rifle combo he has shot these groups .
Some calibers are just more suitable for certain tasks than others IMO.
 
AKD said:
I was looking at a savage 12 lrpv with left port and the 6mmbr was just one of its options.

I agree tho, the 6.5x284 is a hell of a round. I was trying out a friends savage last year and hitting 900y gongs pretty easy. I love the call but i think its just the legend of a quick barrel burner that turns me away.
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A barrel burner it is! But I still love it. That is why I suggested those other 6.5 calibers. That Savage LRPV would be a great choice. The Savage rifles never fail to impress me with their accuracy. They do take a bit of time to break in the barrel though before you see some good accuracy. The last Savage I bought took around 300 rounds before it started to shoot. And the amount of copper fouling just after one round was staggering! It was worth the effort though because she's a shooter now and cleans up in no time even after 100's of rounds.

I'm currently building a 6.5x47 and can't wait to see how she preforms.
 
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