Expensive lesson learned today

Well after thinking about it for 20 minutes I removed what I said, cause after four pages of being beaten down I figured you suffered enough.
Welcome to the board, and even if someone from here tells it is legal or go ahead and do it,
please use due diligence and research the answer yourself.
Welcome to the Forum and
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
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heavyBullet said:
There is always one or two CGN memebers who have been on CGN for many years that feel the need to give this exact response. A response that clearly adds nothing to the thread, and one that I just do not understand.

The OP has been a member since this past February, and yet you expect him to have read these "Ten Thousand" threads on this particular subject, and I guess he should have read every single sticky and spent hours upon hours pouring over past threads as to educate himself enough as to not make this mistake, or any others.

The OP did what he thought was best, and called Canada border services and informed himself on what the regulations were before he proceeded to bring back these items. So far he sounds like a responsible and smart guy to me. Maybe your just much smarter than the rest of us, but I would bet that he did what most sensible people would have done( and have done), and figured he was good to go.

I do not blame the OP, but put the blame on the Canadian border guards not informing him correctly. If you read online or even the pamphlets given out by Canada Customs, it clearly states......

"Canadian citizens must obey U.S. federal and state laws for purchasing ammunition in the United States. For more information, refer to the ATF Brochure on Non-Immigrant Aliens Purchasing Firearms and Ammunition in the United States"

Why is it that this is never mentioned at the border ??? It takes all of 15sec for the border guards to mention this, and save people from some serious consequences due to being misinformed.

Rant over.
HB
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I agree. As well OP thank you for posting your experience to try and share/help other CGN members so they don't have this hassle in the future. The "10,000" other threads on this topic wouldn't exist if it weren't for people who take the time to post their experiences, even if they may have made a mistake.

Welcome to CGN :)
 
This is ridiculous, for years certain US federal agencies supplied so called "allies" in the fight with communism with funding, small arms, stinger missiles and major armaments. Now that these so called allies have turned against the hand that fed them,let's make it look like it never happened. It was the gosh darn immigrants, living in the US, that smuggled the weapons...maybe even the Canadians. Looks like they suspect that we may end their way of life by smuggling Varget and Dillon presses LOL
 
This is ridiculous, for years certain US federal agencies supplied so called "allies" in the fight with communism with funding, small arms, stinger missiles and major armaments. Now that these so called allies have turned against the hand that fed them,let's make it look like it never happened. It was the gosh darn immigrants, living in the US, that smuggled the weapons...maybe even the Canadians. Looks like they suspect that we may end their way of life by smuggling Varget and Dillon presses LOL
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The US laws may not make any sense, but if you don't bother to learn them, or simply choose to ignore them, and you get caught, you have only your self to blame.
 
If they'd sent you to Git Mo at least you could have worked on your tan - and I've heard the hot roast pork sandwiches are excellent. The drawback is that bath time can be a b*tch, apparently the guys with the wet towels aren't bathroom attendants.
 
heavyBullet said:
There is always one or two CGN memebers who have been on CGN for many years that feel the need to give this exact response. A response that clearly adds nothing to the thread, and one that I just do not understand.

The OP has been a member since this past February, and yet you expect him to have read these "Ten Thousand" threads on this particular subject, and I guess he should have read every single sticky and spent hours upon hours pouring over past threads as to educate himself enough as to not make this mistake, or any others.

The OP did what he thought was best, and called Canada border services and informed himself on what the regulations were before he proceeded to bring back these items. So far he sounds like a responsible and smart guy to me. Maybe your just much smarter than the rest of us, but I would bet that he did what most sensible people would have done( and have done), and figured he was good to go.

I do not blame the OP, but put the blame on the Canadian border guards not informing him correctly. If you read online or even the pamphlets given out by Canada Customs, it clearly states......

"Canadian citizens must obey U.S. federal and state laws for purchasing ammunition in the United States. For more information, refer to the ATF Brochure on Non-Immigrant Aliens Purchasing Firearms and Ammunition in the United States"

Why is it that this is never mentioned at the border ??? It takes all of 15sec for the border guards to mention this, and save people from some serious consequences due to being misinformed.

Rant over.
HB
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It's not a BSO's job to a) know US law and b) inform people of those laws. There's enough s**t on their plate already.

I know what you are saying, if they are aware of it, they should mention it, but not all BSO's are aware of these US restrictions.
 
blueflash said:
.....You can bring back shotshell ammunition I believe but not centerfire, and you can bring back less than $100 of non major gun parts. No frames, or barrels, but magazines are okay as far as I know.....
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No, and no.
Only licenced exporters can export.
 
Quote (It's not a BSO's job to a) know US law and b) inform people of those laws. There's enough s**t on their plate already.

I know what you are saying, if they are aware of it, they should mention it, but not all BSO's are aware of these US restrictions.)End Quote.

Besides the fact that it is not the Canadian Border Services job to inform all travelling Canadians what they can and cannot do in the U.S., You don't stop at Canadian Customs on the way to the U.S. So how are they supposed to tell everyone?

I suppose I came close in January, I was visiting a gun store in upstate NY and asked for once-fired brass. Great price, but 'fortunately' he didn't have any in stock. Otherwise, I might have been in a spot like the OP.

Really, what kind of national threat does 5000 pieces of .38 special brass pose?

B.
 
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tiriaq said:
No, and no.
Only licenced exporters can export.
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Don't know about shotshell ammo but I just brought back shotshell wads and once fired hulls and showed US customs with no problem??Said they were OK and to call here in the future if I have questions prior to buying any shotgun items??? I have never called but it seems to change monthly??? or not everyone is on the same page

Information regarding export licenses and restrictions needed in order to permanently export a shotgun, shotgun parts or shotgun ammunition from the United States may be obtained from Bureau of Industry and Security or by calling (202) 482-4811.

For information on how to permanently export a handgun, rifle, their parts or their ammunition from the United States, please visit U.S. Department of State's Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC) or call (202) 663-1282 .

Bureau of Export Administration

Export Counseling Division

Department of Commerce

14th St. & Pennsylvania Ave., NW.

Washington, DC 20230
 
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Kevan said:
Rumors circulated this was an investigative technique possibly utilized at Kesselrings in WA State.
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There is more substance to this than just "rumors".[/QUOTE]

I was just there Yesterday, A US Border patrol SUV was parked outside taking plate info.

But i just got "Tools" ie, presses and Tumblers. As long as you DO NOT buy any ammunition or ammo components and equipment which can be used on firearms, you should be OK.

Its Crazy.
 
I agree with you 100%. if you are going to go the route of dealing in or with the US you better understand their laws as bringing over a brick of CCI Stingers can have you labelled as an "evildoer" and speeding can put you in the same cell as a mass murderer. All of this while their government gets away with just about anything...hence many of us making the choice of buying locally :) the fear tactic works every time.
stubblejumper said:
The US laws may not make any sense, but if you don't bother to learn them, or simply choose to ignore them, and you get caught, you have only your self to blame.
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BMacT said:
Quote (It's not a BSO's job to a) know US law and b) inform people of those laws. There's enough s**t on their plate already.

I know what you are saying, if they are aware of it, they should mention it, but not all BSO's are aware of these US restrictions.)End Quote.

Besides the fact that it is not the Canadian Border Services job to inform all travelling Canadians what they can and cannot do in the U.S.,

B.
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I agree its not their job to know the US restrictions, but I am pretty sure they are aware there may be some restrictions, and they could easily mention that, so said person can inform themselves, especially since the US takes this very seriously.

You don't stop at Canadian Customs on the way to the U.S. So how are they supposed to tell everyone?
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I am not saying they should be telling everyone, but surely those who ask questions. I cross the border many times a year, and when I arrive at Canada Customs, and have been cleared to cross, a few times I have asked the border guard questions I have for the next time I cross. That's how I found out you have to fumigate a mattress before you cross into Canada, even if its new and sealed in a bag, another rule that most people would not think of, but exists.
 
heavyBullet said:
I agree its not their job to know the US restrictions, but I am pretty sure they are aware there may be some restrictions, and they could easily mention that, so said person can inform themselves, especially since the US takes this very seriously.



I am not saying they should be telling everyone, but surely those who ask questions. I cross the border many times a year, and when I arrive at Canada Customs, and have been cleared to cross, a few times I have asked the border guard questions I have for the next time I cross. That's how I found out you have to fumigate a mattress before you cross into Canada, even if its new and sealed in a bag, another rule that most people would not think of, but exists.
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Sweet, they explained that wrong to you. :(

The only things that technically need to be fumigated are used third party mattresses.... and why one would have a used mattress that hasn't always belonged to you.. I dunno.. eww.

If you buy a new mattress, no fumigation.

Also, most BSO's are not going to be foccussing on whether or not the mattress needs fumigation, but whether or not the mattress is stuffed with contraband.
 
kay guys/girls lets not dogpile the guy it happened to him and I thank him for posting.....lots of guys do not know the rules, the change all the time and are getting worse
 
CBP had their white unmarked van in the east grand forks cabela's parking lot this past saturday and sunday. I recognized one of the officers and waved. He came out and chatted for a few minutes. I cross the border daily for work, so you get to know the officers after a few years. The only reason I caught them is because of the government plates. Black helicopter stuff... I don't think so.
 
upnorth said:
CBP had their white unmarked van in the east grand forks cabela's parking lot this past saturday and sunday. I recognized one of the officers and waved. He came out and chatted for a few minutes. I cross the border daily for work, so you get to know the officers after a few years. The only reason I caught them is because of the government plates. Black helicopter stuff... I don't think so.
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Canada Border Patrol? Must have been shopping.
 
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