458 x 2

Hi. It's worth whatever you paid for it.
.458x2, aka .458 American, is literally a .458 Win with a 2" case. Strictly a reloading thing. Very similar to the .450 Marlin.
Brass can be made from any .458 based case. None of which are cheap.
Some info here. http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/w458x2.html
More load data here. http://stevespages.com/458_9.html
RCBS dies are special order and run $169.99US, Stateside.
 
I have one. Lots of info here:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87559&highlight=458+American

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My rifle.

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A loaded round, with a 350 grain Speer Hot Core.

Edit: I've seen a few bolt actions in this wildcat, one was priced at 400, but I've seen another at 700. Prices vary with condition.
 
I've seen ads for a couple.

Not to be a wise ass, but's what the reason for this cartridge, if you need "real" .458 win mag reloading supplies to make the ammunition, but it isn't as powerful as the real deal? Is it just to have something different? Brutus' mauser based action above could handle a full .458 win mag no problem, so you're not saving anything in terms of weight or length on the action?

Just curious.
 
With my RCBS forming dies I can take any discarded H&H Magnum brass and cut, trim, ream it for my rifle. Cheep cheep cheep brass for reloading.
You cannot do that with a 458 Winchester Magnum.
I can load a squib load with 13 grains of Red Dot and my rifle kicks about like a 357 magnum rifle with PB cast 405s.
I can load cheap 300 grain Hornday HPs for deer, or 350 RN, or one of many 400s/405s loaded to the gunnels, or even an FMJ or soft cast lead RN in 500 and basically duplicate any 45-70 handload that will fit in my wildcat case.

Personally, I really like Frank De Haas's reasoning, a close cover repeating bolt action (45-70 with its rim is not really magazine bolt action friendly) for game bigger than, or tougher than deer.

Why not a 45-70 Marlin you say? Well, when I was looking for a short range rifle, most levergun 45-70s had alot of drop in the stock and poor cheekpieces for optics. For potential high kickers I always prefer something like a monte carlo from the get go.
This only changed for the better in the last few years and I'm not about to change calibres now.

Besides, every gun-nut should have at least one wildcat in the gunrack right? :cool:

Edit: You would not believe the abundance of 7mm Remington Mag or 300 Win Mag shooters that do not handload, and therefore provide me with absolutely free, range pick up brass. Also the rich oil workers that own Weatherby Magnums and also, do not handload, that very thoughtfully put thier once fired empties, back into the original store bought ammo box for me.
 
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I have toyed with the idea of a 458X2 in a remington model 7... one day. I think its a very nice little cartridge with plenty of juice for the stuff that needs it. Cool find.
 
I think it is a better bolt action caliber for North America then the .458 WM, which can be a problem to load down for reduced recoil, it's like a heavily loaded .45/70 in a boltgun, what's not to like!!
 
I had a 458x2 on a remington model 7 years ago, was light and compact.They are great little thumpers.These short bolt action 45's make great little thumpers out to 150yds.I use to load the 350gr hornady R.N at 2150-2200fps out of a 20" tube
 
Brutus said:
With my RCBS forming dies I can take any discarded H&H Magnum brass and cut, trim, ream it for my rifle. Cheep cheep cheep brass for reloading.
You cannot do that with a 458 Winchester Magnum.
I can load a squib load with 13 grains of Red Dot and my rifle kicks about like a 357 magnum rifle with PB cast 405s.
I can load cheap 300 grain Hornday HPs for deer, or 350 RN, or one of many 400s/405s loaded to the gunnels, or even an FMJ or soft cast lead RN in 500 and basically duplicate any 45-70 handload that will fit in my wildcat case.

Personally, I really like Frank De Haas's reasoning, a close cover repeating bolt action (45-70 with its rim is not really magazine bolt action friendly) for game bigger than, or tougher than deer.

Why not a 45-70 Marlin you say? Well, when I was looking for a short range rifle, most levergun 45-70s had alot of drop in the stock and poor cheekpieces for optics. For potential high kickers I always prefer something like a monte carlo from the get go.
This only changed for the better in the last few years and I'm not about to change calibres now.

Besides, every gun-nut should have at least one wildcat in the gunrack right? :cool:

Edit: You would not believe the abundance of 7mm Remington Mag or 300 Win Mag shooters that do not handload, and therefore provide me with absolutely free, range pick up brass. Also the rich oil workers that own Weatherby Magnums and also, do not handload, that very thoughtfully put thier once fired empties, back into the original store bought ammo box for me.
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Okay, there's a lot more going for this caliber than I was aware of!

And, yes, every gunnut should have at least one wildcat in his gun rack!

Thanks for the info.
 
458x2

I have a dumb question about the 458x2....You can shoot 458 win mag out of a rifle chambered for 458 Lott...Can you shoot 458x2 out of a rifle chambered for 458 win mag?????
 
btridge said:
I have a dumb question about the 458x2....You can shoot 458 win mag out of a rifle chambered for 458 Lott...Can you shoot 458x2 out of a rifle chambered for 458 win mag?????
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I expect so, the .458 American, .458 Winchester, and .458 Lott are the centerfire versions of the.22 short, long and long rifle. I'll stick my neck out and disagree with Ben by saying the .458 Winchester is the most versatile of the 3 when fired in a rifle with a Lott Chamber.
 
well maybe ill keep it i was gonna trade it for a 243 for deer but might be worth keeping ill try some of the shell i got with it but ill stay away from the cast stuff
 
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