Why? I am not the one making claims to making 50 yard kills on animals that went down hard.
How strong are .410 shotguns?
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Why? I am not the one making claims to making 50 yard kills on animals that went down hard.
Covey, all shots were broad side, and I hit them through the boiler room. A cow heart is fairly large, and, according to what I saw, they don't much like being shot there. I said the cattle would get agitated, I did not say I couldn't get closer. I told you I used a 410 because I did not want high powered bullets flying through the cattle. The 410, I felt, allowed some leeway as to shot placement. If the cattle were plced in a small pen, and their heads restrained, a .22 would have been the answer. This was not the case, nor was it the arrangement the rancher wanted. The 410, out of all the choices that were discussed, was the agreed upon option.
Again, offer up all of your fist hand experience shooting 410 slugs, and killing animals with them. Also, offer up what you would have used in this circumstance.
Other than you trying to call me a liar, or cast doubt on what I have done and experienced first hand, I am unsure as to why you are so curious about this situation. Especially seeing as how you are not offering any actual experience of your own to refute what I have done.
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Again, offer up all of your fist hand experience shooting 410 slugs, and killing animals with them. Also, offer up what you would have used in this circumstance.
Other than you trying to call me a liar, or cast doubt on what I have done and experienced first hand, I am unsure as to why you are so curious about this situation. Especially seeing as how you are not offering any actual experience of your own to refute what I have done.
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Why? I am not the one making claims to making 50 yard kills on animals that went down hard.
That's kind of my whole point. If you haven't done it, or have been present when it was done, how do you know what did, or did not happen? Again, feel free to expound on your first hand knowledge pertaining to shooting critters with 410 slugs. If you do not have any, which by now is obvious, what makes you expert enough to doubt what I have done?
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Agreed. No law should be broken, just because it does'nt make sense....However, if it does'nt make sense, and it effects your life, then they get broken all the time.
Its too bad that we could'nt take the entire house of commons for a week and put it in the middle of the forest, 8 hours up North in Bear Country. I bet there would be a new law allowing hunters to carry a restricted side arm pretty quickly, if they actually knew what real life for people outside of the City is like.
This law will never exist though, because there is very little common sense in the house of commons.
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Soft lead projectiles do funny things when you shoot them into living things. You may knock Bessy for a loop one day and the next the soft slug splatters on a rib.
My advice would be that you reserve the .410 slugs for smallish animals. Not for any reason other than the fact that they are in no way consistant and are light, soft lead projectiles with limited accuracy.
My advice would be that you reserve the .410 slugs for smallish animals. Not for any reason other than the fact that they are in no way consistant and are light, soft lead projectiles with limited accuracy.
Blue, if we did this, the Liberals would try an ban the outdoors, as well as create licence system, including a course, in order just to go outside. You would also have to register your camp gear.
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I have killed game from antelope to moose with every caliber between .243 and .300. I have also used a 12 gauge smooth bore with buck and slugs on deer. I was asked to put down a horse and I did it with a .357, I have been on the killing floor when beef has been killed and been in on a few ranch kills with guns from .22 to .303. You are 100% correct. I never did what you said. I have never even thought of shooting beef in any place but the head and it never crossed my mind that I should maybe try it with a 410 and an 87 grain soft lead slug. I have no doubt now that I think of it I could hit the broad side of a beef at 50 yards. I have no doubt that 85 grains of soft lead through the heart and the aninal would die. I have heart shot a few animals and not all or most went down hard. You are right, I am not an expert at broadside shots at beef with a .410. BTW I do not have to be an expert to doubt
BrotherRockeye
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I've only used a 22 on bovines so I won't join that "discussion" but as to .410 slugs on deer...they are very effective.
My buddy lived in a shotgun/archery area for years and routinely filled his tags with an old Russian made single shot .410 shooting 3" mag slugs.
Throw a few in your pocket for grouse season and you'll be fine.
My buddy lived in a shotgun/archery area for years and routinely filled his tags with an old Russian made single shot .410 shooting 3" mag slugs.
Throw a few in your pocket for grouse season and you'll be fine.
I have killed game from antelope to moose with every caliber between .243 and .300. I have also used a 12 gauge smooth bore with buck and slugs on deer. I was asked to put down a horse and I did it with a .357, I have been on the killing floor when beef has been killed and been in on a few ranch kills with guns from .22 to .303. You are 100% correct. I never did what you said. I have never even thought of shooting beef in any place but the head and it never crossed my mind that I should maybe try it with a 410 and an 87 grain soft lead slug. I have no doubt now that I think of it I could hit the broad side of a beef at 50 yards. I have no doubt that 85 grains of soft lead through the heart and the aninal would die. I have heart shot a few animals and not all or most went down hard. You are right, I am not an expert at broadside shots at beef with a .410. BTW I do not have to be an expert to doubt
So, to sum things up, you're guesing. And the .243 to 300 range is kind of sad, what does that cover for you, a .243 and a .308? Laughable at best.
If you haven't done what I have, then how can you comment on it from a presumed position of authority?
Where did I say I used an 87 grian slug?
I see that you will twist this whatever way you can in an attempt to make yourself look better. Good luck with that. Perhaps in the future you should save your comments for something that you have actual experience doing, instead of guessing? Another armchair expert expounding knowledge on something he hasn't a clue about. You couldn't pour piss from a boot, if instructions were printed on the heel. Well done?
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Many people load .45 colt to quite respectable power levels.
A 250gr Bullet designed to be used on big game going 1300fps would beat any .410 slug out there. In the tests I've seen most of the .410 slugs break up and flatten out too easily.
The Lyman manual lists a 250gr XTP at 1220fps out of a 16" barrel at black powder pressure levels.
I'm not sure how strong those new .410/.45 shotguns are but I wouldn't trust a load such as that in my M6 Survival gun (.22/.410 only) I do have a couple of boxes of slugs for it that I bring with me but I think I'd rather get in a bit closer and use one of the 3" 5 pellet 000 buckshot if I had to shoot anything bigger than a fawn.
A 250gr Bullet designed to be used on big game going 1300fps would beat any .410 slug out there. In the tests I've seen most of the .410 slugs break up and flatten out too easily.
The Lyman manual lists a 250gr XTP at 1220fps out of a 16" barrel at black powder pressure levels.
I'm not sure how strong those new .410/.45 shotguns are but I wouldn't trust a load such as that in my M6 Survival gun (.22/.410 only) I do have a couple of boxes of slugs for it that I bring with me but I think I'd rather get in a bit closer and use one of the 3" 5 pellet 000 buckshot if I had to shoot anything bigger than a fawn.
What are you smoking there boy? If you read what I said you will see I never suggested what you used. The common 2 1/2 inch factory slug is around 85 or 87 grains and hollow at the back and never more than 100 grains. I guess you feel you are some kind of expert since you killed a few moo cows with a 410 or so you say. I am confident in my doubt of you being anything but a guy from the internet.
Dummy, if you had more for brains, than schit, you would know that both Federal, Winchester, and others make 410 slugs heavier than 100 grains. So much for never. You do know that 410's can go 3 inches?
I don't feel like I'm an expert at all, what I know is, that I have a hell of lot more experience shooting a 410 at critters than you do. And that plants me firmly in reality, as opposed to you and your imangination. Right?
You should stick with the confidence, as it's the only play you have. Unfortunately, in your case, like most window lickers, being confident doesn't make you smart.
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I don't feel like I'm an expert at all, what I know is, that I have a hell of lot more experience shooting a 410 at critters than you do. And that plants me firmly in reality, as opposed to you and your imangination. Right?
You should stick with the confidence, as it's the only play you have. Unfortunately, in your case, like most window lickers, being confident doesn't make you smart.
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What does that cover for me? I said every caliber between and if yougo back that is what I said. I have had and killed game with .243 win, 244 rem. 6 mm rem. 6-284. .257 roberts, 25-06, 6.5-.284 270 win..280 rem 284 win. 7 rem mag .308 win, .300 win mag.
I lied. I am sure i missed a few in there. But I have had and used several 6mms, several 25-06, several 270s and 280 and 7 mms.
Ha Ha Ha to you! but I bow to your expertise on shooting cows.
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More for brains than schit
Yes I know the 410 can go 3 inch. O.K. expert, you tell us how heavy the slug is more experience shooting critters with 410 Well then I guess I really do not have and opinion on .22 rimf on grizley then. I have my doubts about you "You should stick with the confidence, as it's the only play you have." YesWhen someone starts talking about window licking, I get the creepy feeling that you have taken this thread to an all time low. Since you live in my neighborhood I will have to worry about my livestock.
Fella, I think the wheels have finally come off your wagon, as you're starting to jibber jabber. Time for meds?
Do some research on your own dime, and you tell me how heavy 410 slugs can go. My point is that you said they never go over 100 grains. They do. Like everything else I have posted, it's a fact.
Pretty sure the only livestock you own is the hamster attempting to turn the wheel between your ears. Too bad he's so bogged down in all that schit, or he may get the lights to come on.
Like I said, you do know this thread is about shooting critters with a 410?
You never did say how all that glass tastes.
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Do some research on your own dime, and you tell me how heavy 410 slugs can go. My point is that you said they never go over 100 grains. They do. Like everything else I have posted, it's a fact.
Pretty sure the only livestock you own is the hamster attempting to turn the wheel between your ears. Too bad he's so bogged down in all that schit, or he may get the lights to come on.
Like I said, you do know this thread is about shooting critters with a 410?
You never did say how all that glass tastes.
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What's with all this glass tasting remarks? Is there something that I have said that has threatened you in any way? I will say that when you say the things you say, I doubt.
Try and keep up, as you're a post or two behind. I figured any one as "confident" as you, most likely wears a hockey helmet all the time, rides a short bus everywhere, and licks glass constantly. Savvy?
The thought that you could possibly threaten me in any way is pure comedy gold!
Don't start doubting, as that will shake the whole "confidence" thing you have going.
Shot any critters with a 410 slug yet?
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The thought that you could possibly threaten me in any way is pure comedy gold!
Don't start doubting, as that will shake the whole "confidence" thing you have going.
Shot any critters with a 410 slug yet?
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