XCR Opinions
- Thread starter lil_juiced_coupe
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I sold my XCR. It was too heavy for what it was. If i ever decide i need another 5.56 semi auto im buying the swiss. The XCR needs improvements before I'd reconsider.
It did shoot smoothly though, much more so than the Bushy AR15 it replaced. But it was a bushamster so thats not suprising.
It did shoot smoothly though, much more so than the Bushy AR15 it replaced. But it was a bushamster so thats not suprising.
Other than weight, and loctite, what would you improve.?
I once failed to loctite the screws on my mini 30 scope mounts. The back pin fell out. Needless to say, I couldn't tell the difference.
Trying to track down just one replacement pin without buying a full other set of rings became to much of a challenge, so loctite is applied to all scope mounts on every rifle now, no matter the caliber or the use.
FWIW......despite reading this entire thread, I will be picking up an XCR sometime in the near future. Rifles, like optics, like guitars, like amplifiers, like vehicles, like tvs, like xbox vs playstation will not work perfectly for every person.
I bought a mini 30, shot it, cleaned it, loved it. started reading horrible things about them on the internet and all of a sudden didn't love it anymore.. stopped taking it out etc. then one day, I took it out, shot it and remembered what I had enjoyed so much, and forgot what I had read on the Internet. When the almost all the information of the known world is at you finger-tips, its easy to get lost.
For it intended use, the XCR is an ideal rifle for myself.
Trigger - blah,blah, blah. it can't be worse than the mini-30 (sure it breaks clean with no creep, but only after 15 pounds) or my m-14s (any more creep in that and I would have to register it as a ### offender). I can learn to work with it.
the loctite issue - first get it, loctite, forget, check when I take the rifle out.
heavy - I'm by no means a big guy, I think lanky is the term most would use and i'm graceful like a year old moose. I'll use the rifle on a bipod, or for quick offhand shots on pdogs and yotes. No three gun comps for me. and no illusions of this.
Rob arms customer service - I dislike dealing with customer service for anything, get jerked around, things get lost, get charged for other stuff. I'd rather fix it myself, quickly. I'm confident that the great network of CGN and the sponsoring businesses can help me fix the problem....and if not I give the "haters" (haha, kidding) permission to say "i told you so"
just my 0.02 once again
(sure it breaks clean with no creep, but only after 15 pounds) or my m-14s (any more creep in that and I would have to register it as a ### offender). I can learn to work with it.
Also good humor.
Get it, you'll love it. I go wheeling, quading and shooting almost every single day of every single weekend, my xcr has pretty much become the only gun that leaves the house. Pretty much fills all the roles. I'm no big guy either, 5'6" 160. It was the first semi auto centerfire rifle I ever fired, the only other ceterfires I had ever shot prior were 303's, shotguns, 30-30 and .300 win mag. So on day 2 of my xcr ownership and only 200 rounds down the pipe I took this big heavy behemoth to my first ever tactical type shoot (I never even practiced this stuff with a .22) and ran the factory irons. Well I placed well, quite well even with taking full points and a dq on one stage for breaking 90. So I guess what I'm saying is for a complete newb like me with a brand new type gun that's SOOO heavy and iron sights to compete with featherweight AR shooters using eotech's and bea most of them..... Not much of an argument saying the xcr has any handicap.
Also good humor.
Get it, you'll love it. I go wheeling, quading and shooting almost every single day of every single weekend, my xcr has pretty much become the only gun that leaves the house. Pretty much fills all the roles. I'm no big guy either, 5'6" 160. It was the first semi auto centerfire rifle I ever fired, the only other ceterfires I had ever shot prior were 303's, shotguns, 30-30 and .300 win mag. So on day 2 of my xcr ownership and only 200 rounds down the pipe I took this big heavy behemoth to my first ever tactical type shoot (I never even practiced this stuff with a .22) and ran the factory irons. Well I placed well, quite well even with taking full points and a dq on one stage for breaking 90. So I guess what I'm saying is for a complete newb like me with a brand new type gun that's SOOO heavy and iron sights to compete with featherweight AR shooters using eotech's and bea most of them..... Not much of an argument saying the xcr has any handicap.
- Lighter profile 1/7 twist CHF barrels, would make a huge weight difference.
-Welded ejector+fixed metal deflector
-a redesigned extractor, not one thats held in with a plastic detent.
-a detent on the front takedown pin instead of those retaining pins that walk out
-a rear takedown pin??
-Longer upper reciever going past the gasblock for longer bbl variants. Atleast another 3" of rail would help drastically. Milspec rails without the cuts.
-ambi mag release would be nice
-Either their new stock or come standard with an AR stock.
That would make a huge difference.
I wouldnt mind a lighter barrel or collapsing AR stock either but for all I care the upper could be bolted to the lower for how infrequently I open mine. There IS a detent on the front pin, its a full circle groove with a spring clip around it. Mine is tougher to push out than any AR pins Ive pushed. If I were to be taking it apart all the time id appreciate the fact that the pin is captured so you can pull the pin far enough to remove the upper but the pin stays in the lower unless you deliberately remove the clip from the pin, which itsnt required for take down. Less parts on the bench or in the grass.
The extractor did seem like an afterthought.
Ambi mag release? I guess if your a lefty, it would help.
I have yet to see their new stock, but this needs improvement. The standard non folding does not give a very good cheek weld.
I personally think there is enough rails.
And the hbar that creates a heavy front end, does not bother me, I workout.
I actually like it a little front heavy, it keeps the muzzle down on rapid fire(with the full 5rnd mag)lol.Great ideas, that is what I was looking for.
I just took my time cleaned the barrel the way I would any new rifle barrel break in.
I used all kinds of loads mostly my own reloads but I also bought some Fiochi 55gr factory rounds.
I had a few issues but they were mostly to do with my reloads being designed for other rifles especially for my single shot T/C Contender carbine the loads were a bit long for the mags.
I kept the bolt cleaned and oiled as well and I use Lucas Gun Oil that was designed for machine guns as my lube.
It is such an easy break in period that you should not have to do or worry about doing anything special just take your time and you will be fine.
CC
I used all kinds of loads mostly my own reloads but I also bought some Fiochi 55gr factory rounds.
I had a few issues but they were mostly to do with my reloads being designed for other rifles especially for my single shot T/C Contender carbine the loads were a bit long for the mags.
I kept the bolt cleaned and oiled as well and I use Lucas Gun Oil that was designed for machine guns as my lube.
It is such an easy break in period that you should not have to do or worry about doing anything special just take your time and you will be fine.
CC
The point isnt taking the gun down, thats not the problem. The problem is the upper receiver popping open when its run hard and dirty. All thats holding the gun together is spring pressure, which can be affected by dirt and rough useage. Not to mention the takedown tab which can be snagged on things and cause it to self-disassemble, causing the entire contents of the gun to slide out and onto the ground.
As for the front pin not coming out, My little spring clip got loose and fell off. Now the front pin didnt fall out, but it did bother me that they would use such a stupid little clip instead of drilling another hole and installing a detent like the AR15 has.
Its a culmination of the little things that bothered me, many of them easily fixable. I was very patient with it as well, and I really tried to like it. Heres what happened to me.
I unboxed it, gave it a quick cleaning and oiling. Took it out to zero it and break it in with 200 rounds of brass cased 5.56. I got 3 rounds down range before i had a malfunction, caused by the extractor deciding to fly out the ejection port with the spent brass. Couldnt find it, called Robarms, they fedex'd me a new one and I was up and running within a week.
Then I couldn't figure out why I was getting 6" groups at 100 yards with my Eotech. I blamed it on my bad eyes and the wind of the day. It was running just fine, but shot placement was erratic at best.
Tried all different kinds of ammo, 55gr,62gr, 45grJHP's, 69gr, etc. I tried an aimpoint t1 and a bushnell 3.5-16x50 instead of the eotech, I was still getting erratic shot placement. So I called up Robarms again and after speaking with Mr Robinson I had the barrel sent off for replacement mid July. I recieved a new barrel by early November. He promised me a 1/7 but instead I recieved a 1/9. No big deal. And so I took it shooting again, it shot 1.5"-2" 10 shot groups at 100 yards, much better than before. So I took it out and shot it a bunch. Then the ejector and other small bits started coming loose. The shell deflector and the bolt release for instance. Loctited those.
With a bipod and glass, its still a 10+ pound rifle with okay accuracy. So I sold it and bought a rem700 in .223, which better suited the purpose I bought it for, longer range shots on coyotes and other small game.
So in total, I bought it in March '10 and sold it in December '10. In 10 Months I managed to get 500 rounds down the pipe with 1 month of that actually having a completely working gun. Sort of. And they say 1911's are bad for maintenance. When I sold it, it was running perfectly, but I'd had enough of it.
Once Robarms improves their design and quality control, which i doubt they will, I may reconsider. I did like the ergonomics and it shot very smoothly.
I had a ####ty pin, i replaced it and it worked fine since. Not a big deal, but its the little things. Instead of spending more machine time and installing a detent they cut corners and used the clip. Like i said, the little things.
Agreed, it does suck. I think they need to ramp up the QC. If they test fired it at factory it would have caught the faulty extractor and bad barrel. As far as i could tell it wasnt test fired. Maybe thats changed.
I did like the gun to be honest, but I didnt want the hassle anymore.
I have to agree here the design is just plain retarded in that regard. Its no problem for a hobby gun but the XCR was designed as a special forces gun and I would be concerned I snag the gun and all the guts come out ...
I cant see why there cant be a second pin or thumbscrew or whatever. The additional 20 seconds added to takedown time wont harm anybody.
Knowing a few guys who live in high-round-count circles, I can say that the few XCRs they see turn up in class do have a tendency towards small parts breakage. Whether these guns are early production and just have lousy pins, and this problem has been rectified in later guns, I couldn't say.
