.223 vs deer?

If you can hunt deer with a 30-30 Win, I'm sure that you can hunt with 223 Rem with proper hunting bullet (if it's legal in our province). Still the 223 Rem is a low recoil varmint round with 1000 ft-lbs of energy at 100 yards.

Older military caliber like 303 British, 8mm Mauser and 30-60 Springfield were designed to stop a cavalry charge... You get a huge margin of safety with those caliber compared to 223 Rem.

Don't sent a boy to do a man's job ;)
Alex
 
Dukester said:
As an aside - Any of you fellas using a varmint gun, because times are tough and you cant afford a deer rifle?? Just wondering. :D
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Are you offering to buy me a Savage 99? If you think it's funny that not everyone can afford a rack full of rifles, I think you'd better keep it to yourself.

Some guys around here are going to the .22-250 for that exact reason. And lots of guys can't even afford that, so they're using a shotgun.
 
Dukester said:
Bwahahahaa

Just run back to the truck and grab a deer gun when you see one 300 out! lol
( Actually , if you are a big enough dork to carry a .223 for deer, you would likely let fly anyways ).

Or do you carry a deer rifle as well as your varmint gun???

We can see you are quite the home handy man with your tool selections and hardware advice as well!

As an aside - Any of you fellas using a varmint gun, because times are tough and you cant afford a deer rifle?? Just wondering. :D
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the best comedy is when someone thinks he is being clever, but instead he clearly shows how truly ignorant he is.

You just can't beat that for comedy.
 
Interesting thread, indeed!! It is always enlightening to see how passionate people are about certain subjects. I really do not want to get into a p***ing match with anyone, but would like to express an educated opinion.
I believe that the 223 will kill deer without any problem, using a proper bullet and placing it with precision [This should apply to any chambering]
I would not say it is an ideal deer chambering, since once the shots get on the long side on a larger specemin, the 223 is starting to show it's weaknesses.
However, for 90% of hunting situations, it will work fine.
I do have a problem recommending it for an inexperienced hunter. This is because they may not have the mental "toughness" under excitable situations to hold off until an ideal presentation is available. The wound channel from a .224" bullet, regardless of design, is rather small, so the margin for error is reduced somewhat from that of a larger [say 6.5mm+] bullet of the same design.
Additionally, they need to practice, practice and practice more so as to be able to place that bullet in the exact spot needed to make a quick kill. Not saying new hunters have not practiced, but unlikely they have put in the trigger time of a long time, dedicated hunter/shooter.
Bottom line: If you have the skills needed to use this lighter chambering on deer, and it is legal where you hunt....fine.
If your skills need honing a bit, or the likelihood exists of a long shot at a big buck, it may be a better idea to pack something just a bit more forgiving. Regards. Eagleye.
 
All good points Eagleye.

Especially the practice part. The thing is with a low recoil found in the .223 and the less expensive ammo, it is reasonable to believe that a tyro or experienced shooter is more likely to get out and put the time in. Shooting gophers is excellent practice for ranging, wind doping and having fun in field conditions. Some close shots some long shots and some imaginary shots.:D
 
“The basic principle of the field marksman can be stated thus:
If you can get closer, get closer.
If you can get steadier, get steadier.” (Cooper)

For deer with a "lesser" caliber like the .223 you will need to be closer and steadier or you will need to keep your finger out of the trigger guard.

Some find this challenge enjoyable, some don't. Some just plain can't from lack of skill or self control.

"A man's got to know his limitations". (Clint)
 
scottm said:
“The basic principle of the field marksman can be stated thus:
If you can get closer, get closer.
If you can get steadier, get steadier.” (Cooper)

For deer with a "lesser" caliber like the .223 you will need to be closer and steadier or you will need to keep your finger out of the trigger guard.

Some find this challenge enjoyable, some don't. Some just plain can't from lack of skill or self control.

"A man's got to know his limitations". (Clint)
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And that about sums it up, I'd say.
 
TheCoachZed said:
Are you offering to buy me a Savage 99? If you think it's funny that not everyone can afford a rack full of rifles, I think you'd better keep it to yourself.

Some guys around here are going to the .22-250 for that exact reason. And lots of guys can't even afford that, so they're using a shotgun.
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Too bad none of them ever heard of a 243.
And stuff your advice on what I can talk about. Don't like what I am saying, don't click on my post. Don't let your mouse rule your life.

And if you can't afford to hunt deer humanely, save your pennies till you can.

Yep. I bet their are lots of US Nam vets who would brag what a man killer the AR was compared to the AK's!! :D More hilarity!

I am talking calibres and bullets, but some of the duller folks have reverted to pathetic personal insults.

Maybe upset they can't find the little stompy man! lol
 
Dukester said:
Too bad none of them ever heard of a 243.
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Too bad in NB you can't carry a .243 all year round. If we could, we'd all buy .243s instead of .22 centerfires.

Dukester said:
And if you can't afford to hunt deer humanely, save your pennies till you can.
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I've yet to personally shoot at a deer with a .223. I've used 12 gauge buckshot and a .30-30. I simply think that there's a lot of misinformation out there, but if you check out the facts - like in that video I posted earlier - the .223 seems to work just fine. So, where it's legal, why not use it? I sure as heck am not going to wait around to gain your approval for a "humane" weapon when the facts are, it works - and anyone else who did so would be a chump.
 
I think a big concern should be in what situation a 223 would be adequate. Saying it works for whitetail in general may be a stretch. Would it be adequate for a small deer at close range? Probably. Would I trust it on a 350 lb. trophy buck in SK at 250 yards? Probably not. If one is disciplined enough to know the limitations then go ahead, however I doubt many hunters would pass on the latter scenario, that's why my choice is always to use a bit more gun than necessary.
 
Dukester said:
Too bad none of them ever heard of a 243.
And stuff your advice on what I can talk about. Don't like what I am saying, don't click on my post. Don't let your mouse rule your life.

And if you can't afford to hunt deer humanely, save your pennies till you can.
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The Douche baggery is getting very thick here. Its only a matter of one mans opinion it seems. I see alot of know it all know nothings, who indeed think they are the be all, end all of the hunting world.Truth be told, most of these guys hunt alone because nobody wants to put up with their BS.Have a good time hunting alone Dukester!
 
Would I trust it on a 350 lb. trophy buck in SK at 250 yards? Probably not. If one is disciplined enough to know the limitations then go ahead, however I doubt many hunters would pass on the latter scenario,
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What does a guy hunting with an iron sighted 30-30, a handgun, a muzzle loader or bow do when he sees a 350lb trophy buck at 250 yards?
 
Gatehouse said:
What does a guy hunting with an iron sighted 30-30, a handgun, a muzzle loader or bow do when he sees a 350lb trophy buck at 250 yards?
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What bullet/calibre does a guy recommend when a new guy wants to take a legitimate crack at that trophy?
 
captonion said:
The Douche baggery is getting very thick here. Its only a matter of one mans opinion it seems. I see alot of know it all know nothings, who indeed think they are the be all, end all of the hunting world.Truth be told, most of these guys hunt alone because nobody wants to put up with their BS.Have a good time hunting alone Dukester!
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Hey ya name caller!

If that was your subtle way of looking for an invite to our camp, sorry, full up.
And will be for years.

Besides, we expect folks to be able to take deer at reasonable ranges, not pass the shot because they chose to use a sub-deer calibre! lol
 
Dukester said:
Hey ya name caller!
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Never called anyone names...Thats against the rules.


Dukester said:
If that was your subtle way of looking for an invite to our camp, sorry, full up.
And will be for years.
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Wouldn't be interested so long as you reside there.

Dukester said:
Besides, we expect folks to be able to take deer at reasonable ranges, not pass the shot because they chose to use a sub-deer calibre! lol
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You sir would have alot of catching up when it comes to taking deer(especially big ones). BIG BELLY LOL!!!
 
Dukester said:
What bullet/calibre does a guy recommend when a new guy wants to take a legitimate crack at that trophy?
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I would recommend that he use what he is most proficient with and work within the limitations of his gear and his abilities. There are many different bullet and cartridge combinations that will work very well for deer.

I answered your question, maybe you can answer mine now:


What does a guy hunting with an iron sighted 30-30, a handgun, a muzzle loader or bow do when he sees a 350lb trophy buck at 250 yards?
 
Dukester said:
Hey ya name caller!

If that was your subtle way of looking for an invite to our camp, sorry, full up.
And will be for years.

Besides, we expect folks to be able to take deer at reasonable ranges, not pass the shot because they chose to use a sub-deer calibre! lol
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What is a reasonable range for an iron sighted 30-30 or a traditional muzzle loader?
 
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