Garand owners please

TACTICAL111

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Have an M14 which I love.
Am currently looking into a Garand (ping)

Looking for any info on buying that may be beneficial to know.
I have 0 knowledge of this particular platform.

Any particular things to look out for when purchasing one?
What should the price range be for one in VG condition?
Parts availability?

It will be used quite a bit, will not be a safe queen.

Thanks in advance.
 
Like any military rifle condition is the key. You will want 1 with a good bore and not worn at the muzzle otherwise accuracy may suffer. They were made by Springfield,Winchester,H&R,International Harvester. Also, there,s danish Garand made in italy by breda and beretta and they are excellent. Some danish garand barrel are marked VAR, they are match grade barrel. Theses day in canada they are quite expensive so expect to pay $700+ for a shooter. I have a danish 1 and i love it. I'm more a soviet rifles nutz than a garand fan so more experienced fellow gun nutz will give you more completes informations.:)

Jocelyn
 
I won't even chime in about the $250- $300 Garands ten years ago...anyone else remember the 3 garands from the barrel deal at Lever Arms about 14 years ago?

Prices are a bit nutz if you ask me, higher than the US. I'd say with todays prices you are looking around the $700 to $800 mark for a shooter.
 
I have no idea regarding prices but can say that my Garand (a 1953 Springfield with 300 easy rounds through it since built) is a fine rifle and a lot of fun.

Unlike yourself, I am going the reverse route. I have had a Garand for many years and now (I just KNOW I'm gonna be drummed out of this form) I own a genuine Black Plastic Rifle: one of the curent Norinco M-14S rifles. Interesting toy. We are not allowed to own and shoot original American M-14s because we are too stupid and they are too dangerous.... but it's perfectly okay to own and use a Communist Chinese copy, made on American equipment and essentially hand-finished on some noncritical parts.

In essence, the M-14 is a product-improved Garand. They work much the same, some parts even interchange. The Garand uses an en-bloc clip, properly termed a Pederson clip, the M-14 uses a standard Lee box magazine. The M-14 action is an inch shorter but otherwise is much the same and demands the same maintenance, including GREASE in a double handful of locations. The Garand combines piston and op-rod in a long-stroke design; the M-14 uses a short-stroke piston to propel the long-stroke rod. M-1 relies on having the gas take-off close to the muzzle to equalise operating pressures; M-14 has a self-regulating piston. BOTH can be very accurate and very reliable.

Not generally known is that John Garand did most of the work on the M-14 in 1944 when he shortened an M-1 and fitted a BAR magazine and a full-auto assembly to it. It was a tryout rifle for the jungle but the War ended before they could be produced. Springfield dithered with it for about 10 years after the War, shortened it and the ammo and it got adopted.

Notably, the M-1 had about 6 million copies produced and they were VERY close to 100% interchangeable, a tribute to John Garand's genius as an industrial tool designer. The M-14 took this a step farther and was the FIRST industrial product to be produced with dead-fit accuracy, entirely on CNC machinery, all 4 manufacturers. BTW, some of the very first Winchester M-14s were strict semi-auto and lacked ANY of the full-auto kit which encumbered most of these fine rifles; they are legal to own AND shoot but viciously expensive. M-14 production was about 1.3 million in 4 plants: Springfield, Winchester, H&R and TRW. This said, I marvel at the hand-finished parts on my Chinese knockoff; the M-14 was the one single item which proved that CNC machine-controlled manufacture would WORK! Oh well, at least it had the (necessary) tool kit in the butt trap!

But yeah, there is nothing quite like the sound of that WHANG! when the Garand ejects its clip and asks for another mouthful of those nice handloads you are feeding it.

Hope this helps.
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I have a '55 H&R
Great rifle , very accurate , and it's not leaving my collection anytime soon.
There's alot of concern over using military ammo only since commercial ammo could damage the operating rod.
I bought a Shuster vent plug which solved that and I can shoot any 30.06 ammo I can find without probs.
 
The great majority of the concern regarding ammo in the M-1 is unfounded. The rifle was developed with the 173-grain M1 Ball loading and used generally with a mix of M1 Ball, M2 Ball (with the 152-grain flatbase), AP and Tracer (both with 168s) and gave very little trouble. Garand himself was worried that the rifle might not be able to operate properly with the M2!

Thing to avoid in the M-1 rifle is heavy charges of SLOW powders with heavy bullets. Staying with the powder specifically designed for the .30-'06 cartridge will avoid nearly all problems. This powder is IMR-4895 and remains the specified powder for the '06 round in US Service.

Hope this helps.
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I won't even chime in about the $250- $300 Garands ten years ago...anyone else remember the 3 garands from the barrel deal at Lever Arms about 14 years ago?

Prices are a bit nutz if you ask me, higher than the US. I'd say with todays prices you are looking around the $700 to $800 mark for a shooter.

I remember them being $150 each or 4 for $500 when they first came in.
I should have bought a dozen.
 
Great info Smellie. Welcome to the Norinco M14 club, you will enjoy it i'm sure.

Just doing some quick math and with total M-1 production of all manufacturers @ around 6,000,000 units, thats enough 43.5" rifles to stretch in center of the Trans Canada Highway, end to end, from St.John's NF, to Vancouver B.C.! You could drop them in the Gulf of St. lawrence end to end as well on that trip!!

And for us who are Garandless, where are they all!!

Come on where are they all?:)
 
Thanks to all so far, much useful information.

This said, I marvel at the hand-finished parts on my Chinese knockoff; the M-14 was the one single item which proved that CNC machine-controlled manufacture would WORK!

Since you were so helpful, I have a Poly M14 2009 batch.
I happen to shoot it quite a bit.

You will most likely not be disappointed.
Have put over 4500 through her since Nov 2010 and nay a hick-up.
No FTF's, 2 FTE's, both caused by poor hand loads.

Bolt, receiver & op rod have very minimal & normal wear & tear.
No metallurgy issues to be seen.
Fit, finish & function of parts is top notch.

I'm using the receiver, op rod & bolt to do a build, because it's just that damn good.

Enjoy her

Hope you don't get addicted ;)
 
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