Thinking of buying a 6.5x52mm carcano.

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Hey guys,

A gun shop a few minutes from me has acouple of M91 long rifle Carcanos in decent - good condition for quite cheap $150.00 range.

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I'm thinking of picking one up tommorow, Curious what you guys have to say about them.
How hard is it to get ammo for these guys and is it expensive?.

Any mechanical gripes about them?.

Looking forward to hearing from owners, thanks.
 
Are they in full military condition or have they been sporterized? I know Privi still makes ammo, And they arnt to difficult to reload, Finding the clips may be an issue though. I like mine, The action is not the best but it can make 3 holes touch at 50yrds.
 
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They also use a different sized 6.5 bullet than normally found. They are a few thou smaller, at .262

They can be very accurate with the right sized bullets. Finding loaded ammunition is difficult but components to reload are available from Tradex, a banner sponsor.

There was lot of bad press about these rifles, weak actions, lousy accuracy etc. Don't believe it. P O Ackley did some tests on them and found the actions to be very strong. The Italians chose to load relatively low pressures because of the high sectional density of the bullet.

The rifles usually have a very fast twist and some have gain twist barrels. They like 140 grain and the heavier bullets they were designed for.
 
They also use a different sized 6.5 bullet than normally found. They are a few thou smaller, at .262

They can be very accurate with the right sized bullets. Finding loaded ammunition is difficult but components to reload are available from Tradex, a banner sponsor.

There was lot of bad press about these rifles, weak actions, lousy accuracy etc. Don't believe it. P O Ackley did some tests on them and found the actions to be very strong. The Italians chose to load relatively low pressures because of the high sectional density of the bullet.

The rifles usually have a very fast twist and some have gain twist barrels. They like 140 grain and the heavier bullets they were designed for.


Some good points, but I had never heard of undersized bullets - mine are all at about 0.268". The M91 has a gain twist barrel (BTW Tyockell18, that's a M41 pictured). Tradex usually has brass, Hornady makes 0.268" bullets and Lee sells dies. The clips are required and can be had even on CGN.

A fun, underappreciated gun.
 
Carcanos are fun, they are easy to load for and you can get some darned decent shooting out of them. They also happen to be a nice, relatively lightweight rifle with an action which is much stronger than generally appreciated and the recoil is relatively gentle. I have several, including the Carbine type, the Special Troops rifles, old-type Long 91s and even a Model 41. The Model 41 is the only one which likes regular 6.5 slugs; it also is the only one with constant-twist rifling. All the rest are gain-tweist and seem to want the Carcano bullet as made by Hornady. Stay with a fairly-fast powder; the cartridge was designed around a quick powder. Besides, if you tart loading with a slower powder, the accuracy might be okay but then there is always the temptation to buy a Special Forces rifle (21-inch barrel) or a Carbine (17-inch barrel) and these will give you monstous fireballs and thund'rous reports if your powder is too slow! The Western amo that was made for the US military and was released here back in the 1960s was loaded with a slow Ball powder; I used to get a 2-foot fireball out of my Carbine, every shot, visible in broad daylight. Fast powders are MUCH nicer: easy on the ears and they don't scorch your cap. My Model 41 really likes a light charge of 4198, of all things! I would recommend 3031 or 4895 for the Carcano, myself.

Trade-Ex (banner advertiser with link at the top of this page) stocks the correct Prvi Partizan brass in bags of 50 and they have the Hornady bullets in stock as well. This is good to know; I have had bullets on order from one local shop for the past 4 years and they haven't arrived yet due to the Canadian distributor not wanting to bring in just a small order. I had them from Trade-Ex in 10 days. Everybody and their dog makes dies for this number, ranging in price from about $35 to about $65; they all work. There are no tricks to loading it, no incantations, no spells, no virgins require sacrificing (alhough it can be fun, it isn't needed for this purpose): you just load 'em up and go to the range.

And a clip or six are necessary: the action is a modified Mauser and you can damage the extractor by tossing a round up the pipe and closing the bolt on it. Learn the right way to load the clip: they are expensive these days. If you run into clips for a 7.35mm Carcano, grab them: they are identical to the 6.5 clip. You load the clips by pushing the round straight backward into the clip at the TOP, then sliding the round downwards with the extractor groove held by the clip, then add the next round. You can unload a rifle in an instant by opening the bolt, ejecting the round on the boltface, then pushing the clip release (inside the triggerguard) and ejecting the clip, with remaining rounds, upward. To load, just open the bolt, shove a clip down into the magazine until it loks into place and close the bolt. No tricks. The safety is a bit odd, requiring pressure AND rotary movement to set or unset, but it is quite positive and removes spring pressure from the striker: very safe. Salvatore Carcano designed it back about 1867 and it still works.

Go get 2 or 3. Have fun.

See you at the range.
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Hi,

Smellie is correct! Carcano rifles are fun. Their bad reputation is somewhat undeserved. The cartridge is capable of good accuracy.

I have a "sporter" that took me twenty years to find the parts.... :)

Cheers

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Alright well I went and bought one today, it was the only one of the three with the enbloc clip included, $135.00. Woods dinged up pretty good.

Looks like its an M41 as the sight block is different with the weird notches cut out on the upper handguard just like in the pic I posted before.

Bore is good with strong rifling, works well mechanically. I'll post pictures of it in a bit. For 135.00 cant complain.

Its stamped FAT 42 on top of Breech.

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I don't know why I like these ugly old milsurps, I just like crude looking guns for some reason. Wouldnt mind bagging a deer with her.
 
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Nice rifle there.

Yes, it's a Model 41. Mine has a very tight bore and works just fine with Remington bulk-pack 140s.

The Model 41 was the only Carcano built with constant-pitch rifling; all the rest are gain-twist. It is also close to 2 pounds lighter than the original Model 91 rifle. The 27-inch barrel looks a bit slim but they can sure shoot well; mine is giving me an honest 1 MOA off the sandbags. I'm not complaining one litle bit: when I can get an honest 1 MOA rifle for 56 bucks (what I paid for mine) I will NOT complain.

FAT: made at Turin. Likely it will be marked somewhere with "1942 - XX". The "1942" is the year on the Christian calendar, the "XX" signifies that it was built in the 20th year of the Refounded Roman Empire. Just about everything in Facist Italy was marked like this, even the coins. Mussolini was the new Caesar, even revived the Roman salute..... which Hitler borrowed from him. Alessandra Mussolini, his granddaughter, is a member of the Italian Parliament. Believe me, she doesn't look ANYTHING like her grandfather!

Time to head on to Trade-Ex and get some of that brass before I buy it all up for the 10 I have here in that calibre: 2 1870/87/915 Vetterli-Vitalis, 7 assorted Carcanos and Il Duce's Secret Weapon, an Armaguerra Modelo 39 SA.

Be sure to get back to us and let us know how she shoots.

BTW, for a deer rifle, the Carcano is 'WAY better than the .30-30: utterly massive penetration. The bullet has the highest sectional density of almost anything made.

Enjoy!
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Nice rifle there.

Yes, it's a Model 41. Mine has a very tight bore and works just fine with Remington bulk-pack 140s.

The Model 41 was the only Carcano built with constant-pitch rifling; all the rest are gain-twist. It is also close to 2 pounds lighter than the original Model 91 rifle. The 27-inch barrel looks a bit slim but they can sure shoot well; mine is giving me an honest 1 MOA off the sandbags. I'm not complaining one litle bit: when I can get an honest 1 MOA rifle for 56 bucks (what I paid for mine) I will NOT complain.

FAT: made at Turin. Likely it will be marked somewhere with "1942 - XX". The "1942" is the year on the Christian calendar, the "XX" signifies that it was built in the 20th year of the Refounded Roman Empire. Just about everything in Facist Italy was marked like this, even the coins. Mussolini was the new Caesar, even revived the Roman salute..... which Hitler borrowed from him. Alessandra Mussolini, his granddaughter, is a member of the Italian Parliament. Believe me, she doesn't look ANYTHING like her grandfather!

Time to head on to Trade-Ex and get some of that brass before I buy it all up for the 10 I have here in that calibre: 2 1870/87/915 Vetterli-Vitalis, 7 assorted Carcanos and Il Duce's Secret Weapon, an Armaguerra Modelo 39 SA.

Be sure to get back to us and let us know how she shoots.

BTW, for a deer rifle, the Carcano is 'WAY better than the .30-30: utterly massive penetration. The bullet has the highest sectional density of almost anything made.

Enjoy!
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Very nice write up!, quite interesting, thanks a bunch for your feedback.

Once I find some ammo somewhere I'll let you know how she works.
 
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