Three WWII German pistols, P.38,Browning HP and Radom.

[drm3m]

Walther manufactured P.38, code ac42 with a 1943 dated soft shell holster. (This 43 dated soft shell holster is somewhat rare, most were hard shell holsters in 1943)

("ac" was Walther's letter code and "359" was it's number code in 1942.

The correct magazine for the Walther ac42 is the single spine marking e\359. Top magazine in the photo.
The double e/359 spine markings were for the later version of ac41, the earlier version had magazines serial numbered to the pistol. There are no serial numbers on these two magazines so perhaps they are correct for the early ac42 pistols.

(359 was Walther's manufacturer's code.)

The bottom magazine came with the ac42. The other two are for the ac41.

The upward closure strap is somewhat unique to the 1943 dated P.38 soft shell holsters.
(The MP40 is also 1943 dated.)

The 1943 dated P.38 holster with a 1944 dated MP44.

Browning HP pistol.

Some different holsters for the HP.

Radom Vis wz.1935 (Vis model.1935)
The Germans refered to this model as the P 35 (p)

David

 

[sunray]

Please reduce the size of your pictures.

 

[Claven2]

Nice examples. I'm curious if you bought that Hi-Power at Gunco in Ottawa or not? I think I recognize the method of mag dimpling

 

[drm3m]

Claven2

The Browning Hi-Power and P.38 came from the same small gun shop in Eastern Ontario in July 2003.
At that time people were unloading their guns as I guess the laws were changing.
It was the last place I expected to find these pistols.
The two magazines came with the pistol.

I also got the 1938 dated S/42 P08 shown below at the same shop in August 2004.
(With two matching magazines...how lucky was that.)
This is one sweet Luger.

David

sunray,
(Sorry about the size of the photos they are down loaded and resized from Photobucket.)

 

[ArtyMan]

David - you have an AMAZING collection!

 

[J996]

^ +1 Outstanding display. Thanks for posting

 

[drm3m]

Thanks ArtyMan and J996.

Old photos of a mix of German pieces.
I don't know if I have the energy to drag all the stuff out to photograph group photos anymore.

David

 

[Riflechair]

Lard tunderin jaesus

 

[ArtyMan]

Thanks ArtyMan and J996.

Old photos of a mix of German pieces.
I don't know if I have the energy to drag all the stuff out to photograph group photos anymore.
David

I'll help! Heck I'll even pay to help haul stuff!!!

I have a 1938 S/42 Luger on the way, looks very similar to yours.

 

[Nabs]

Are you trying to make me feel bad and make my collection seem very incomplete because your doing a heck of a good job .

That stuff is in amazing shape, it looks like the soldiers just handed it to you in May of 1945. Is the Mp40 and Mp44 still live or deactivated ?

 

[albayo]

The only one of the excellent pieces Drm3m has that I have never owned, is the MP44.
That collection wasn't atarted yesterday.

 

[drm3m]

Nabs,

Both the MP40 and MP44 are 12(3)s. (Converted machine guns to semi-automatic)
They are both registered as such.

David

Both the MP44 and the MP40 were Erma assembled.
Erma's manufacturer's number code at that time was 280.

Markings on the MP44. Code "qlv" in 1944.

Markings on the MP40. Code "ayf" in 1943. Serial number "9428 U".

Both guns show the "280" number code...the "qlv" and "ayf" letter code is different.
This happened as the war progressed.
The Germans had a pretty complicated system when it came to marking their guns over the course of the war.....it is a moving target for collectors today.
There is a lot to learn.

Serial number "9428 U" on the trigger guard assembly and "428" on folding stock of the MP40.

 

[Steve1987]

Another excellent photo post! The Nazi hi-power is nicer than most I've seen.

-Steve

 

[CanadianAR]

Wow! Nice!
Its a shame that so many of us cant even collect half of that stuff, unless ruined, i mean dewatted.

 

[5440fight]

Wow. I just jumped up and down clapping my hands like an idiot. I want to make sweet love to this thread, that's how much I love it. Amazing stuff, great condition, all the bits, wonderfull pictures...now I'm getting all choked up...happy, horny and sad, all from one thread.

Thanks for sharing, pm me for my name for the will, willing to trade a sister.

 

[John Sukey]

Just a note, the "vis" is NOT a german gun, it just has a nazi chicken stamped on it.

 

[drm3m]

John,

You are right the "vis" was not a German gun.

I guess the same thing applies to the Browning Hi-Power and all of the other pistols that were manufactured in occupied countries.
The German reach was pretty substantial.

No guestion these pistols were not manufactured in Germany.

Many of the German side arms were manufactured in occupied countries.
Lots of pistols had "Nazi chicken" markings on them that are now viewed as
German WWII side arms....inspected and accepted as such.


Example.

A Hungarian Femaru---Nazi marked, with a Luftamt L2 accepted holster.
The Luftwaffe were issued these pistols.
It was not German manufactured but certainly part of of the German "stable of arms " used in WWII.

Perhaps branded "Axis Pistols". According to Jan Still.
This book talks about the "non German" manufactured pistols that were used by the Germans.
It is a great book and should be in every library for people that are interestd in this stuff.
It deals with all the variations of these pistols.

Two matching magazines.

Spreewerk Inc (code “cyq”) P.38
Manufactured in Grottau Czechoslovakia after the German army invaded the country.

It is my understanding that this was the only German designed military pistol manufactured outside of Germany in WW2.

Walther, Mauser and Spreewerk were the three manufacturers of the P.38 pistol. Eagle over 88 was Spreewerk’s acceptance code.

This “cyq” code Spreewerk pistol was manufactured in 1943.

The pistol is shown with a 1943 dated “soft shell” holster.

Code “fkx WaA 869”-- note the unusual P.38 marking on the holster.
Gustav Sudbrack, Lederwaren-u. Gamaschen-fabrik, Bielefeld, N-W

The 1943 dated soft shell holsters are somewhat scarce, as this model was not officially adopted until 1944, and was only produced in limited quantity in 1943 by a few manufacturers.

The belts that may be related to some of this German stuff.

David

 

[bfiles]

drm3m, love the radom.

I am trying to find one right nowfor myself.