'Island Bear' Vancouver Island...

In the orig. post you have prolly picked the too best cartridges of them all, and it would depend on the kind of hunting you want to do, spot and stalk the mountain sides, the .375 and anything else esp. closer quarters; a heavily loaded 45/70.
I'd buy both!!!
 
bearkilr said:
They are bigger weight wise and body size.. Shorter hibernation, high fat diet(salmon) but rarely a skull over 21", minimum for B and C.
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Hey bearkilr just woundering is that 21" from tip of the nose to back of the skull? I'd really like to know since i've never measured a bears skull for B and C.
 
thumper1 said:
Hey bearkilr just woundering is that 21" from tip of the nose to back of the skull? I'd really like to know since i've never measured a bears skull for B and C.
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Your "facts" are pretty sketchy friend. The gene pool thing doesn't mean much. And if you ever think you've found a black bear with 21" nose to vertebra, please show us. Heck you shoot a coastal brown with that measurement you've shot a toad.
They have great fat bears that tape great hides with great skull averages, and high density. Its a great place to hunt. That's about it.
 
thumper1 said:
Hey bearkilr just woundering is that 21" from tip of the nose to back of the skull? I'd really like to know since i've never measured a bears skull for B and C.
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You have to boil/clean the skull and remove all meat and tissue and let it dry for 60 days. The measurement is the maximum width and length added together. Typically, a bear making 21" total will have about a 13" length and 8" width.

The "Island bear" category is not a Boone and Crockett category, they only have one "black bear".
Safari Club International has the Island bear category and coined the term, and my understanding is that it came about mainly through the efforts of Jim Shockey. The measurements at obtaining their score for the record book are the same, however the minimum for entry is lower.

At one time, bears were scored by squaring the hide, in other words the average of nose to tail length and width between the front legs after skinning. Lots of hides were stretched to the max, so the skull measurement was adopted and is much more fair and accurate with less chance for cheating.

There is no bear on the planet that has a skull length of 21". Even the largest Polar bear and Alaska brown "only" have a length of 17-18".

http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgrecords/worldrecordsdetail.asp?area=bgrecords&type=skulls
 
Typically most bears have to break 14" in length to come anywhere near 21". There are some wide heads, but commonly blackies tend to be convex and the grizz has a boxy head giving it an advantage in width.
 
rem338win said:
Typically most bears have to break 14" in length to come anywhere near 21". There are some wide heads, but commonly blackies tend to be convex and the grizz has a boxy head giving it an advantage in width.
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Convex? You do know what that means, right?

You must have some egghead shaped bears in AB. I've measured dozens of skulls and to make the MB minimum of 19" they're usually around 12" long and 7" wide and 13" and 8" for B&C. The world record is 14 10/16" long.
 
$7,000 plus 12% HST (five-day hunt). Price includes food and lodging and all transportation while searching for bears. Normal hunting is 2x1 (2 clients, one guide), however 1x1 hunts are available for $10,000 plus 12% HST and include the price of a second bear as part of the package. All bow hunts are 1x1 for $10,000 plus 12% HST and include a second bear. Hunters who are on 2x1 hunts may take a second black bear for an additional $3,000 (to be paid before 2nd bear hunt starts). Not included are $850 for the first license, tag and royalties plus 12% HST. Hunters who are on 1x1 hunts or going for a second must also buy a second species tag for $150 plus 12% HST. Observers are welcome, at a cost of $1500 plus 12% HST. Please note that if you shoot at and wound an animal efforts will be made to recover the animal, but the hunt is considered to be over.
 
No wonder Shockey wanted them to be classed differently for SCI! $7000 for a black bear! I've hunted in his area for bears and it only cost me fuel and ferry fees. :)
 
thumper1 said:
Why spend that kinda money I could have taken you to my hunting place where I grew up at for a couple dollars for fuel and a case or two of beer.lol
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That's my kind of hunting! Me and my hunting friend went in his Tracker for afternoon black bear hunt yesterday for a second time this year and I scored 250lbs+ boar with one shot out of my LH Ruger 308 Win and he dropped on the spot! All extra expenses beside hunting license and tag amounted to $16 for gas....Black bears are easy to kill with 7mm-08 to 358Win class of cartridges. For grizzly hunt I would consider 35 Whelen or 444Marlin but nothing bigger b/c accuracy, speed of recovery after the shot and amount of the cartridges left in the magazine matters more than anything else IMO.
 
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gunrunner8 said:
For grizzly hunt I would consider 35 Whelen or 444Marlin but nothing bigger b/c accuracy, speed of recovery after the shot and amount of the cartridges left in the magazine matters more than anything else IMO.
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Most important is where the first bullet goes. Poor hits on grizzlies can ruin a persons day.
 
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