I was able to find a cool restricted Luger P08! (New pics and video on p.3)

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I bought one of the two restricted Luger conversions that Kidvett was advertising on the EE recently. It just arrived in the mail today. Looks great. Can't wait to try it out tomorrow. It is a BYF 42 "Black Widow". Thanks Kidvett for doing some of these great work. I should have some video soon. Some pics:

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The Luger definitely has an unusual looking sight picture compared to most pistols. A block with a little point on top!
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With a more modern pistol some of you are familiar with!
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Deutsch Pistole und Gewehr Kombination, ungefähr 1944 (with K98k BYF 44)
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Österreichische Pistole und Gewehr Kombination, ungefähr 2004 (with Steyr SSG69, 2004 production)
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matty86suk said:
thanks for sharing, you always have the coolest stuff....
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Hey no prob... but I spend too much time hanging out with Roger/Nemo/hippo... so I always think (along with a lot of other people) that HE always has the coolest stuff! And it is hard/impossible for anyone to keep up with Roger!

Roger is going to help me test this Luger out tomorrow. I am just hoping that it shoots more-or-less to point of aim, and is not too ammo picky. Kidvett says that the guns have all been tested for function,and function fine with American Eagle 124gr. or hotter. I think a lot of problems on function with Lugers comes from people trying to use North American load 115gr.

I'll report back later.
 
Kidvett does some great work, and my Luger back that up. You won't be disappointed with yours and you will even have fellow shooters at the range wondering what you are shooting too!
 
Nice luger, this picture kind of illustrates how stupid the barrel length rules are in Canada!
A stock luger would be longer then your restricted glock.....

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Maxim took the toggle lock from the '66 Winchester, used it in his MG.

Being that the system was successful and that the plant he worked at already was using it on royalty basis, Borchardt put it into his gun, then Georg Luger modded it into the utterly ELEGANT specimen shown here.

I would do the same with a couple of Lugers I have here, except that I really hate the idea of trashing a BRAND-NEW 1916 barrel, just to sooth some oversized political ego 1500 miles away... and destroy a piece of history at the same time. There has GOT TO BE a better way than this......

Beautiful piece, though.
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I still have to ask why a handgun with a long barrel is "good" while a handgun with a shorter barrel is EVIL.
Do short barrel handguns jump out of their holsters and shoot innocent people?
 
When the barrels get to short people put them in their pocket and do bad things........or good things depending on who you believe.

Tools for self defense like tazers, pepper spray and short barreled handguns are good enough for the Police but not the People in Canada.
 
I would like to know what #### - a fcuk came up with the .25 acp 'any .32 cal' and the barrel length restriction, and publicize their bulls**t meeting minutes about banning the horrible short barrelled handguns. :jerkit: The entire reason for the existence of Canada is to keep gov't nosepickers collecting paychecks. :rolleyes:
 
John Sukey said:
I still have to ask why a handgun with a long barrel is "good" while a handgun with a shorter barrel is EVIL.
Do short barrel handguns jump out of their holsters and shoot innocent people?
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Jeez! Don't you know that all "short barreled" handguns do just exactly what you described? I have several evil handguns that I can't even put in a holster, because they only jump out. People believe the crap that Windy and her ignorant minions pump out, mostly because it makes them feel better, and the problem is then gone, right??

As much as we like to pound the liebrals and blame them for all these stupid laws and rules, we can also congratulate the general population (which includes all of us) for going along with this crap for so long. We have finally awakened and have shown our strength via the ballot box.

This is not a cheap shot at gun owners for not "doing more". We need to keep up the pressure to have simple common sense prevail, instead of allowing some shrill anti-gun bag to spew the manure and have her way.

No more.
 
Totally agree with all the political comments. The firearms laws have never made any sense or had any link to public safety. The Luger pistol suffers from something very similar to the "revolver problem" (all but the biggest revolvers are prohibited due to the way in which the barrels are measured). I firmly believe the Firearms Act was brought in to create a mess of legal grey areas - many of which have terrible consequences if you come down on the wrong side of them - as a way of discouraging people from pursuing an interest in firearms or retaining the firearms they have... and it backfired. But... I digress...

With regard to the Luger, no I do not have the original barrel - as the original barrel is a "prohibited device" and possession of it is a criminal offence :)rolleyes: see above) unless you have a licence to possess prohibited devices (like many Firearms Business Licence holders so). I am working with you guys and others to change the laws, but for now, this is the only Luger I can own at all (other than a big artillery Luger). Kidvett is a Luger and P38 collector. He keeps all-matching guns intact, but made the decision to rebarrel a few mismatch guns to turn them into shooters (not collectibles) for people with restricted licences, and I thank him for that.

The gun was working well at the range today, except that it was having some feeding issues if I loaded more than 4 rounds in the mag. It worked perfectly with 4 in the mag every time though :confused:. I stripped it down and cleaned it tonight, and also found that the mag is WWII vintage and was VERY dirty (by the way, can anyone tell me anything about a mag marked "rxo" witha "37" waf?) So I cleaned that all out and will try again.

The gun is very accurate, and shoots to point of aim on a 6 o'clock hold. Roger/Nemo shot a group that was 4 shots into one ragged hole at the first line of targets (7m) with point of impact being just slightly 11 o'clock of the middle of the target.

Overall, with a little more breaking in (from the refurb state) and cleaning of the mag, I think I can get it working 100%. I will try and find a few more mags to try as well.

Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXPG52scXdc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byprzndt6DY

Roger's vid. The guns always sound a lot different on Roger's vids. Different mic I guess. His camera is fancy (gee,surprise, surprise :p)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFPNQheWhpw&feature=feedu
 
You are right, you have a WW2 marked magazine made from 1941 to 1943. The "rxo" is the sub contractor code. The closest I found was "fxo" with WaA 37 located at Haenel, Suhl.

My Luger had some light feeding issues the first time at the range. I found that using "Wolf" 9mm ammo would result in a mis-feed on almost every shot but using S+B ammo worked almost perfectly with the only input being to lightly tap down the toggle lock to complete the cycle. This was after 50 or so shots so I think the action was getting a little fouled up. I remember the first 10 or so shots were perfect, no issues, with a full magazine.

Did you have a crowd gather around you as you shot ? A Luger is something people do not expect to see out at the range for a Sunday shoot.

Kidvett is great to deal with. I never thought I would own the Luger year and maker that I have been wanting for many years but he made it happen, all within my budget. He also got me two WW1 Luger magazines that fit very well with my Luger. I'd shake his hand and buy him some beer if he was in my neighbourhood.

As for the original barrel, I do not like the fact that you cannot keep it. What is wrong with the original barrel after you melt a bunch of lead in it ? It is practically a paper weight after that. Some (many ?) of these laws are just stupid and I await the day the paper, which these atrocities are written on, are torn up and burned.
 
Nabs said:
You are right, you have a WW2 marked magazine made from 1941 to 1943. The "rxo" is the sub contractor code. The closest I found was "fxo" with WaA 37 located at Haenel, Suhl.
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I had a look at that again, and it is "fxo". I had thought that it might be lowercase "r" "xo", but it is actually lowercase "f".

"37" WaA, and it marked "P08" as well. I think there might be another mark or two on there as well... although I don't have it in front of me to check right now. It might just be more "37" WaA's.

I am going to order some mags from Numrich I think, and just see how those go. I was cleaning that mag again after shooting it a second time and it is still coming clean.

Basic question but, how do you disassemble a Luger mag? The only thing I can think of is that ... that must be a pin that pushes out of the bottom of the mag, right in the middle of the circle, no?

I seriously doubt I will be knocking out that pin with a punch, as I don't want to mess up a vintage 70 year old mag. I can just clean it by holding down the spring. But, for curiosity sake, is that how it is done?

Thanks for the imput.
 
I haven't disassembled any of my Luger magazines. They work pretty well by themselves so perhaps a bit of oil on the spring from the side, with a small slit, should help with feeding more smoothly.
 
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