Get AK back?

We've just won, stay calm and enjoy the moment!

Don't forget that we actually won the last elections, let's bring back the AK after the long gun registry is scrapped!
Gun controls were progressively tightened and can be progressively relaxed.

A couple week ago many CGNs were afraid of an NDP-Liberal goverment and now are afraid of a Conservative majority goverment!
We've just started on a 4 year winning streak!
Alex
 
Don't forget that we actually won the last elections, let's bring back the AK after the long gun registry is scrapped!
Gun controls were progressively tightened and can be progressively relaxed.

A couple week ago many CGNs were afraid of an NDP-Liberal goverment and now are afraid of a Conservative majority goverment!
We've just started on a 4 year winning streak!
Alex

Fully :agree: with you
 
There's a lot people hitting the Conservative crack pipe pretty hard in this thread. It's a wasted effort to believe that any AK or variant will ever be legal for the average Joe in this country to own again.

focus your efforts on not getting screwed by components of the new legislation to repeal the LGR. If you think for a second that the RCMP is not lobbying the Conservatives hard to get some way to track 858's , SKS's and others, you really are living in dream land.
 
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There's a lot people hitting the conservative crack pipe pretty hard in this thread. It's a wasted effort to believe that any AK or variant will ever be legal for the average Joe in this country to own again.

focus your efforts on not getting screwed by components of the new legislation to repeal the LGR. Because if you think for a second that the RCMP is not lobbying hard to get some way to track 858's , SKS's and others, you really are living in dream land.

Finally some sense instead of looking at what was lost we have to keep an eye on what we could lose .the old saying when one door closes another opens may not apply to us in this case.I still think there is merit to a graduated system where classes become open to you the longer you hold your licence but got asked WTF was I thinking
 
We elected the conservatives. Not Ted Nugent.

Only because Nugent wasn't running. Not that I'm holding my breath, but IF the 12.5 OIC was removed.....I think an AK would be one of the last guns on that list that I would purchase (after FAL, semi auto Thompson, etc, etc, etc)

It's nice to dream though, eh?

Adam
 
... magazine holds only 3 rounds...
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3 rounds! Let's not give them any ideas! ;)
 
If your a gang banger, violent criminal, terrorist and want an ak47 your going to find one regardless of the law. I dont think many gang, terrorist or criminal with connections use registered weapons unless they want to pin it on someone else right ? i also recall a news article about information on registered canadian gun owners being stolen. Lets say you have this list of people with guns at least you know which house has which gun. When they break in the amount of time a person would have to react let alone know what the hell is going on would be slim, that is if anyone is home. I also imagine when the RCMP arrive half hour later its your fault for letting them get away with your guns. Sorry !!!!
 
hmm looks like to much indecision amongst us. everyone dreams of a different prohib, but if everyone goes their own way then we wont have a voice, just the usual riff raff. If anything is to change it will take everyone banding together for a common and small (reasonable) goal. We all pulled to slam the Libs and get the Conservatives in, a baby step in our journey. If we all start taking bounds now, we will all be jumping off our own band wagon. Scrapping the LGR properly to eliminate its wrongs without creating new ones is our next baby step.
 
There will be no changes in the AK or AR status. What we will likely get for all of our efforts is the removal of the LGR and that will be it. Don't expect us to get anywhere near back to the way it was before C-68 came into being.
 
Maybe I should get another AK... My ones a 20" barreled Saiga .223... doesn't really have the AK "look", but it should look better after I chuck a can on it and maybe do the trigger group - forward mod. AK's are all over the New Zealand market, and we're not in a state of civil war as the anti's might want you to think. The dumb thing is AR's are difficult to get over here unless your loaded, so I guess in that respect you guys are reasonably lucky (except you can only shoot them on a range). I've been waiting 10 weeks+ for mine and will be paying a hugely inflated price when it turns up. I guess you win some you loose some. Gun control is silly.
 
The Liberals issued multiple Orders-in-council while in a majority position. They didn't give a damn how many millions of gun owners they pissed off or outraged because they had a majority. The fact of the matter is, Canadian voters have extremely short memories and equally short attention spans. If the CPC made a big more now, in four years most will have forgotten all about it...and, assuming the streets did not run red with blood, because legal owners were once more permitted to take their 12(X) guns to the range, there would be little justification in saying person A can have this firearm, but person B cannot...simply because they weren't born on the right day.

We have the Conservatives for four years, after supporting the Reform/CanadianAlliance/CPC for the past (almost) two decades. We were promised the complete repeal of C-68. Why would you be willing to settle for anything less now? The long gun registry is just the tip of the iceberg? The Coalition for Gun Control sure as hell wasn't a shrinking violet back in 1993 when they went to the Liberals with their wish list.

Why shouldn't law-abiding gun owners expect at least a similar modicum of respect and appreciation from our government finally? The unilateral classification of Model X,Y,Z firearm by name, via OIC, was and remains a violation of our basic property rights.

When crouched in those terms, how can any CPC government not act positively? The Liberal OIC and decision to prohibit certain firearms destroyed the intrinsic value of that privately acquired property. Nor can said property be legally passed on to our heirs. Confiscation without compensation did this as well. Frankly, I'd like to see a class action brought by all the gun owners who had their SPAS-12, etc...confiscated without compensation as a result.

The CPC is on record as defenders of property rights, so make the argument on that basis. If all we ask for is the elimination of the long gun registry, we're telling government just how little value we place on our decades of devotion and support.
 
There will be no changes in the AK or AR status. What we will likely get for all of our efforts is the removal of the LGR and that will be it. Don't expect us to get anywhere near back to the way it was before C-68 came into being.

This is what I mean by baby steps, this brick s**thouse of gun control has to come down little by little. We dont have a D11 to just run it over and back up over it a couple times. We've got the hard working men and women of Canada with hand tools. LGR first, then we can focus our efforts on whichever step is next. Little by little it can be dismantled. If we scrap the LGR and most people stop there then yeah, thats all we'll get. We're at the bottom of the mountain and its going to be a long climb. If everyone stays in the fight and stays focused on each small step then it will slowly get better and better. Otherwise its just a couple guys trying to demolish Alcatraz with a sawzall
 
The Liberals built their $hit mountain in a figurative day, on a foundation of lies and sand. It can come down with a good hard shove if we have the gonads to demand someone give it a boot.

The CPC is going to take all kinds of $hit once they scrap the gun registry. They aren't going to be interested in dealing with the same Coalition for Gun Control public wailing and gnashing of teeth that we will see following the official announcement. You can bet their allies, including the CACP, CPA, etc...will pile on, along with Taliban Jack who is now the official Quebec representative in parliament, and you can bet he'll be even more stridently anti-gun than ever as a consequence.

I can guarantee that we get one kick at the can during this four year term. If all we ask for is an end to the long gun registry that is all we will get. If we go back, hat in hand asking for an end to ATTs, or an end to unilateral reclassification of firearms by the RCMP (You can bet all thos VZ-58s and CZ-858s are on their hit list) or an end to 12.6 classification of handguns or ask them to start issuing SAPs for owners with 12(x) long guns you can forget it.

We'll get the same response that groups looking to re-open the same-### marriage debate or abortion debate get. "That issue has been dealt with, the Conservative government of Stephen Harper supports firearms safety and their responsible use by legal gun owners. We have eliminated the long gun registry as part of this measure to ensure fairness and justice for Canada's law-abiding hunters and farmers."

Four years from now we might end up with a Jack Layton minority/majority government, or the Liberals might actually get their crap together. Do you honestly think that they won't then ban all semi-auto firearms, along with all military-style firearms and handguns? They're already on record as promising this and that was before they became the new BQ!

We get one good shot to right the last 18 years of Liberal gun laws, so we need to make the most of it. Otherwise we're going to find ourselves SOL.

Harper is NOT going to give us a bone here or a bone there, every 6 months or a year, piece-by-piece, BECAUSE, the Coalition for Gun Control and the opposition parties will be sure to make it seem like the Prime Minister intends on killing puppies and shooting our kids while they are at play in public parks everytime! C'mon guys!

Repeal C-68 and C-17, replace them with a Conservative penned Firearms Act and then wait....for nothing to happen. No blood bath, no massacres because machine guns are being transported through Canadian towns on their way to local gun ranges, no gangs of blood-crazy AK-47 armed Canadian gun owners going on crime sprees...nothing.

The gun grabbers will wail and cry for the cameras for a couple of months and then the media will move on to the next story and four years from now, most Canadians will respond like New Zealanders who chucked their gun control regime years ago. "What was all the fuss?" And then we'll have clear proof that regardless of what they own, law-abiding gun owners are not the problem and never have been BECAUSE we are LAW-ABIDING!

We have a GANG-CRIME problem in Canada, not a so-called "gun-crime" problem like the Liberals and Coalition for Gun Control have attempted to argue. Four years should be enough time to put done on that particular argument.
 
This is what I mean by baby steps, this brick s**thouse of gun control has to come down little by little. We dont have a D11 to just run it over and back up over it a couple times. We've got the hard working men and women of Canada with hand tools. LGR first, then we can focus our efforts on whichever step is next. Little by little it can be dismantled. If we scrap the LGR and most people stop there then yeah, thats all we'll get. We're at the bottom of the mountain and its going to be a long climb. If everyone stays in the fight and stays focused on each small step then it will slowly get better and better. Otherwise its just a couple guys trying to demolish Alcatraz with a sawzall

I do not disagree with the step by step approach. My concern is that after listening to the Throne Speech today regarding the dismantling of the LGR, there was no mention of fixing therest of the Firearms Act.

All that was mentioned was the dismantling of the LGR. This stood in stark contrast to the greater detail provided about other initiatives. It would have only taken a few words, like "our first step" will be to dismantle the LGR to provide an indication of "next steps". Lets all hope I am wrong. But my suspicion is that the LGR will disappear, but that is where the reform of the FA will end.
 
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