No .416 love?

I can squeeze in 5, but it makes chambering the top round tight. If I carry 5 in the rifle, the top round is chambered, but 99% of the time its a 4 shooter, as I am in the habit of ignoring the safety and carry with a full mag and an empty chamber. I still have the factory floor-plate, I believe you purchased an aftermarket one that gained you an extra round.

Glad to hear the cost of the Rigby brass has become friendlier.
 
I stuck a Wisner floorplate in mine to gain the extra shell, but most of the newer production will take 4 down. Nothing like a big capacity for hunting things that tend to get shot a lot before and after they go down.

I've moved up to the .458 Win for the big gun slot, since I don't see the .416 killing better than the .375. May as well give frontal area a try.
 
The advantage to the African, Asian, Australian, hunter is that the large case capacity of the Rigby, Weatherby, and .404 Jeffery (Ultramag) reduces the incidence of excess pressure in hot conditions, without the load becoming anemic. While the new temperature stable powders have gone a long way to addressing that issue, not everyone uses them. The advantage to the North American hunter is velocity as we as a group worship the "Velocity God", and nothing produces velocity like large case capacity. My Rigby load drove 350 gr X and Mag Tip bullets well in excess of 2850 fps, without bursting at the seams, providing .30/06 trajectories, and devastating up close power which is comforting when the rifle is used in the protection role. Comparably, the .375 H&H or Ruger, which are powerful cartridges in their own right, get 2850 with 260-270 gr bullets.

Remington's .416 has proven itself in the game fields, and has been used by successfully against lions by PHs of no less fame than Ross Seyfried. There's even one example that accompanies tourists on coastal hikes around here chambered in a Brno 602. But when compared to the large case .416s, the Remington/Ruger versions are like comparing a .308 to a .300 magnum. The .308 has proven itself in the game fields as well, yet there are those who want a .300 magnum if they carry a .30 caliber rifle.

When it comes to protection rifles, if I were to buy another .416, it would probably be a .416 Ultra (Dakota) to take advantage of the inexpensive brass compared to the cost of Rigby or Weatherby brass. I have nearly 400 pieces of .375 Ultra brass and the cost of acquiring it was far less painful than it was to acquire 200 grounds of Norma .416 Rigby brass at $180/50 in the late '90s. Another advantage of Ultramag brass is that more rounds can be fitted in a magazine than is possible with a Rigby or Weatherby chambered rifle, without altering the magbox.

My .375 Ultra compares favorably with the .416 Remington or Ruger; we see that I can drive a 350 gr bullet (SD .356) to 2350 fps from a 20" barrel where the .416s can drive a 400 gr bullet (SD .330) to 2300 from a 20" barrel. But a big case .416 will drive that same 400 gr bullet 2500 fps in the case of the Dakota and 2600 in the case of the Rigby/Weatherby when shot from short barrels. An increase of 300 fps represents an advantage for the hunter who can make use of it.



Boomer, truth is I pretty much knew all that stuff, just wanted the VELOCITY discussion of the larger case.

I am definitely NOT in the velocity crowd!

In my .416RM, I load to 2375fps MV with the various 400gr bullets I've tried. Yet I had no issue making a ~250yard shot on that bull moose; held right on center and drilled it through the lungs.
The Rem Mag can also be down-loaded easily. Any muzzle velocity from 2200 fps to 2400 fps will do the job nicely, in that caliber.

I use Hodgdon powders, which supposedly are not temp sensitive, not that that matters much here in Alberta.

If I were heading to Africa, with that rifle, I would make a point of doing load development and testing when we had some nice 35C days... but that's a ways down the road, if ever, for me...
 
I've moved up to the .458 Win for the big gun slot, since I don't see the .416 killing better than the .375. May as well give frontal area a try.

No experience with African game, but I thought the 416 Rem did a better job than the 458Win on NA game.
The flexibility of the 416 is on a completely different playing field.
I mean....What if you see the trophy of a lifetime Gemsdickdick at 250 yards? :D

Another personal observation is that I have recovered lots of 375 bullets and have never brought home a 416 bullet....The biggest grizz I have ever seen was shot in the chest with a 300X and it exited the rear ham...The bear went down like a smashed tick.

Maybe just my luck?
 
No experience with African game, but I thought the 416 Rem did a better job than the 458Win on NA game.
The flexibility of the 416 is on a completely different playing field.
I mean....What if you see the trophy of a lifetime Gemsdickdick at 250 yards? :D

Another personal observation is that I have recovered lots of 375 bullets and have never brought home a 416 bullet....The biggest grizz I have ever seen was shot in the chest with a 300X and it exited the rear ham...The bear went down like a smashed tick.

Maybe just my luck?

Maybe it is your luck, I can't seem to get a 400 grain TSX to go through anything. 1 wildebeast stopped 2.

If I see a trophy gemsdickdick at 250 yards while hunting buffalo or elephant I'll probably let it go. If I'm done I'll probably swap rifles.

Assumeing that the permits are done in time, I'm takeing a .375 and .458 to Australia in July. Since we're doing some buffalo culling at the same time as trophy hunting, I can switch back and forth between the two rifles until one stands out or I can otherwise make up my mind. The .375 sets the bar fairly high, it has 3 buffs already with Swift A-Frames. Smacks 'em good.:D
 
Maybe it is your luck, I can't seem to get a 400 grain TSX to go through anything. 1 wildebeast stopped 2.

If I see a trophy gemsdickdick at 250 yards while hunting buffalo or elephant I'll probably let it go. If I'm done I'll probably swap rifles.

Most of my experience with the 416 Rem came with the old style X...Makes me wonder about the new TSX sometimes.

You wont see many Gemsdickdicks so you better shoot! :D

Best of luck in Aus.
 
I had a .416 RM - I bought it in 1994 IIRC. Brass was much cheaper then, similar to .375 H&H brass. I liked it very much and wish I hadn't sold it.
 
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I shoot a 416 RM in a Sako L61R... It is not very pleasant to shoot from the bench, but when out hunting, the recoil is totally lost in the moment
 
Shot one from a bench, not terribly pleasant. Found a deal on a .460 Weatherby, and the ported barrel cuts the recoil to well below what the .416 Rem kicks at.
 
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