ITAR UBR cross border shipping mishap

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Six Star said:
I was handed a list in Kesselring's (Washington State) of items I could not buy....I could buy a scope as long as it didn't say "Tactical" on the packaging or on the scope itself. Any item that was labelled "Tactical" was verboten.
I tried to order some BBQ parts for my Weber from the US a while back....guess what....the parts are on the prohibited list as well.
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Oh come on.....what BBQ part would be restricted?? :confused:
 
#### Proenneke said:
After reading through this thread, my initial thoughts are that the seller is scamming you and using ITAR as an excuse. When an item is shipped from the US it is transited through whatever postal service you used and turned over to Canada Customs. It does not go through US customs. Canada customs ensures that the item is not on the prohibited list, and once that is confirmed,they are only concerned with collecting the appropriate duty. They are tax collectors with guns and that's it. Nine times out of ten, when they hold an item, it's because the value is not appropriately listed and they are trying to figure out how much to tax you. This happens when people declare the items as gifts on their US Customs forms, or list a low value and then insure the item for 10x the listed value.

If for some reason US customs was doing spot checks, or was specifically targeting the seller, then both seller and buyer should have received a letter in the mail outlining the seizure. I'm guessing that US customs does not run $100,000 surveillance and interception operations to get a $200 UBR off the certified ranges of Canada.

Miracle Joe, I challenge you to do the following:

1. Request a copy of the letter from the seller. A scan can be emailed to you, as can a photograph.

2. Post the letter in this forum with the sellers personal information edited out.

Also, if anyone can post a single specific example of a person in Canada, or the US, who has been charged for violating ITAR for an individual item, or small quantity of personal items, I'd like to hear it. I'm not saying that CGN members should not respect ITAR, but the fear mongering on this site, sometimes gets a little excessive.
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The shipper recives a letter of siezure and the resulting laws governing the said siezure the addresse gets no notifaction/If the item is siezed by US Customs they will dispose of it as it as the per regulations and no the shipper does not get the item returned . The USPS is currently scanning all out going parcels from the US . You ask how do I know this I sent my girlfriend some gifts while I was in Las Vegas for Shot and the parcel had been opened by USPS and a note was inside explaining why the package had been opened and no they were no gun parts just cosmetics.
 
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Six Star said:
I was handed a list in Kesselring's (Washington State) of items I could not buy....I could buy a scope as long as it didn't say "Tactical" on the packaging or on the scope itself. Any item that was labelled "Tactical" was verboten.
I tried to order some BBQ parts for my Weber from the US a while back....guess what....the parts are on the prohibited list as well.
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Did it also include items that require an export permit from the Department of Commerce? Almost seems to be, if it's not part of ITAR, the Commerce chaps get you.
 
#### Proenneke said:
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Also, if anyone can post a single specific example of a person in Canada, or the US, who has been charged for violating ITAR for an individual item, or small quantity of personal items, I'd like to hear it. I'm not saying that CGN members should not respect ITAR, but the fear mongering on this site, sometimes gets a little excessive.
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I am pretty sure that any one who has had items siezed for ITAR Violation will come rushing forward to say that they were DUMBASSES for violation of another countries law
 
Savage said:
I am pretty sure that any one who has had items siezed for ITAR Violation will come rushing forward to say that they were DUMBASSES for violation of another countries law
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there have been few members who have had itar run ins at the usa boarder

they were NOT charged BUT the experince was NOT pleasent and that they were not charged was luck

DO NOT RISK IT!!!!!
 
contact148 said:
there have been few members who have had itar run ins at the usa boarder

they were NOT charged BUT the experince was NOT pleasent and that they were not charged was luck

DO NOT RISK IT!!!!!
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Eh... semi auto parts that apparently can be installed on a FA gun = FA parts. Bah, thats what you get for truthfully declaring your items. Ah well, lesson learned, no charges, buy this side of the border, even if it is more expensive. Not worth my time or effort to dabble in import/export to save a couple bucks.
 
Miraclejoe said:
Last month I bought a UBR from a guy in the states. I know all about ITAR but never thought about checking if the stock was part of it. I've seen enough for sale around here and other places to think it was just fine.

Now custom confiscated it on the way out and I might as well forget about the money I paid for it, which is really nothing compared with the thought of the shipper going to jail over the whole thing.

Anyone has any thoughts on this?
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Last year, I thought I would get a good deal on brass and essentially did the same thing. I asked if he could import to Canada, he replied in the affirmative. Everything was legal on this side of the border and I had no idea about ITAR and its restrictions, but U.S. Customs seized the brass.

What was worse was that the seller was threatened with fines, jail etc. He was a cop from a mid-western state and he had even checked to make sure he could sell it to me. He knew about not selling live ammo, found that prohibition as well, but did not find anything about empty brass. In the end, he received a warning and that was the last I heard about it. With a little luck, the Americans run into this regularly and will be aware that not too many people are aware of ITAR and all of its restrictions. Hopefully, all he will receive is a warning as well (after he has been suitably scared by government threats of course).
 
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