Can we make a hk223 non restricted?

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I was talking to a cop at the local range and we were discussing the mr223. At first I simply assumed the rifle to be restricted because its an ar/m4/m16 variant. Then he quickly reminded me that it shouldnt be the case because the mr223 uses that unique piston operating system the ar180b and g36 also uses. Last time I checked these were non restricted as long the barrel length is ok. For this reason, shouldn't this rifle be restricted because of its barrel length? He said he researched this in detail and never got a straight answer so he gave up. I also remember reading somewhere that hk "sportized" these rifles so their uppers and lowers cant mate with traditional Ars or military parts.

In summary, im just wondering if I some how got someone to make an 18.5 inch barrel for the mr223 would it be designated as non restricted?
 
The fact that it even looks remotely like an AR will make it restricted.

Just like how the GSG MP5 was deemed an MP5 variant even though it was a completely different design and fuctions 100% differently.

Just like how all those .22 AR look a likes are deemed AR Variants, even though once again they operate completely different then a AR.
 
God bless their little creative terrorist hearts for it too!

The RCMP: Canada's answer to the Pakistani villagers who forge their own 1911s out of old car doors.

They could take a slingshot, a TV remote and a Lee Enfield together to Macguyver themselves a heavy machinegun!
 
Bottom line is that the MR223 is an AR15 variant, thereby restricted by name.

You could throw a 24 inch barrel pull out the guts and turn it into a bolt action, and it would still be restricted.

( yes it's hypothetical and I know it's not possible, just trying to make a point)
 
TV-PressPass said:
God bless their little creative terrorist hearts for it too!

The RCMP: Canada's answer to the Pakistani villagers who forge their own 1911s out of old car doors.

They could take a slingshot, a TV remote and a Lee Enfield together to Macguyver themselves a heavy machinegun!
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that mindset turned the lee enfield into a automatic during ww2 , proving just about anything is possible if people are motivated enough .
 
Alright, I'm going to out out on a limb here...
Seeing as the Mr223 upper is only a firearm part and not that registered part. And it only mates to the dedicated Mr223 lower. If the Lower was never brought into the country and assigned a FRT#, And some one was able to machine a AR180B lower that was able to accept the MR223 would it then not fall under the NON-RES category?

I am fully aware that all AR variants are restricted by BS, err I mean name, and I do not need schooling in this subject.

But I digress as I am attempting to apply logic to something that is inherently illogical.
 
xopher said:
I was talking to a cop at the local range and we were discussing the mr223. At first I simply assumed the rifle to be restricted because its an ar/m4/m16 variant. Then he quickly reminded me that it shouldnt be the case because the mr223 uses that unique piston operating system the ar180b and g36 also uses. Last time I checked these were non restricted as long the barrel length is ok. For this reason, shouldn't this rifle be restricted because of its barrel length? He said he researched this in detail and never got a straight answer so he gave up. I also remember reading somewhere that hk "sportized" these rifles so their uppers and lowers cant mate with traditional Ars or military parts.

In summary, im just wondering if I some how got someone to make an 18.5 inch barrel for the mr223 would it be designated as non restricted?
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This interesting because when I first saw a listing for the 20" MR308 it supposedly had a FRT with a non-restricted status. But then down the road it seemed to have changed to the expected but not logical restricted as varient staus. Of course I've never seen a 20" MR308 or MR223 in country but at one time Wolverine said they were going to get them in.
 
pirate604 said:
Alright, I'm going to out out on a limb here...
Seeing as the Mr223 upper is only a firearm part and not that registered part. And it only mates to the dedicated Mr223 lower. If the Lower was never brought into the country and assigned a FRT#, And some one was able to machine a AR180B lower that was able to accept the MR223 would it then not fall under the NON-RES category?

I am fully aware that all AR variants are restricted by BS, err I mean name, and I do not need schooling in this subject.

But I digress as I am attempting to apply logic to something that is inherently illogical.
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No, unless there are enough modification done to the upper as well to render it incompactible with an AR lower, it will still be considered an AR varient.

ATRS has tried it with one those bolt action 50 cal uppers, thek made a lower with without a magazine well and the RCMP lab still consider it a varient, so they ended up giving it up because it just wasn't worth the time and money.
 
burnt_servo said:
that mindset turned the lee enfield into a automatic during ww2 , proving just about anything is possible if people are motivated enough .
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I actually managed to see one when I was younger... In fact the owner wanted to give it to me because he knew my grandfather and had no one to will it to he just didn't want it destroyed when he passed away... I ended up calling a museum and he donated it to that instead but I could have had one... If it was legal for me to own it... He paid the price of a house for it... I used to cut his grass for free every weekend...

I could of also had a FN Fal C1A2 as well if I was older when my grandfather passed away was to young so got screwed on that too... which is why the older guy was willing to give me a whole pile of firearms because he was older and said screw it.. He was like you got screwed over in getting it so you want mine? I was like I want them but can't have them.. So I wont dont want the legal trouble..
 
"...MR223..." Wild West Shooting Centre, in Edmonton, lists 'em as restricted for a measly $4300.
"...turned the Lee-Enfield into an automatic during W.W. 2..." Semi-auto and attempted long before W.W. II. Nearly every country tried it with their existing bolt action.
 
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