.260 Remington?

[todbartell]

As a note, 270 Winchester can drive a 140gr at 2950 fps while 260 Remington 140gr gets 2700 fps (extra 125m of effective range)

Alex

most advantage a 270 has over a 260 shows up at distances where 95% of hunters cannot capitalize on the extra velocity/less drop from a field position, 300+ yards

 

[marcoman]

260REM 140gr 2600fps muzzle velocity, 200yd zero.

400yds drop 26in, 1881fps, 1100ft\lbs energy 14in drift\10mph wind

300WIN 150gr 3200fps muzzle velocity, 200yd zero

400yds drop 16in, 2380fps, 1891ft\lbs energy, 10in drift\10mph wind

While I do agree the 260rem can be effective on deer sized game to 400yds, I cannot agree that it is ballistically the same as a 300win. When it comes to Elk and Moose at 400yds I would fell alot better shooting the 300win.

Comparing bullets of similar weights does not a fair comparison make. For you argument to be valid compare bullets of similar sectional densities and bullet shapes(ie boattail vs. boattail etc.).
For the .260 rem a more fair comparison would be 120gr. vs. .30 cal 165gr.
130 gr. vs.180, and 140 vs. 190 gr.

Now if direct comparisons are made between these pairings of bullet weights you can see the .260 is no longer at the performance deficit you think it is.

 

[caramel]

Any round that come from its parent case 308 ought to be very good... JP.

 

[skhunter]

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But it's not if you consider BC. In order to get the sam BC of 140 grn .264 bullet in a 30 cal bullet, you have to step up to 180-190 grn bullet.

I am fine with the same BC. If you are going to push the 260 to 2800 then you must push the 300 to 3200 to make the comparison fair. Handloading the 260 to 2800 in a 26in barrel then comparing it to a factory 300 at 2900 is not fair. I think you would be hard pressed to find a factory 260 that is over 2600.

 

[todbartell]

factory 140's in a 260 Rem are rated at 2700-2750 fps, and handloads I've shot in 23" barrel 260's go in the 2750-2830 fps range with H4831sc & RL17

 

[skhunter]

Comparing bullets of similar weights does not a fair comparison make. For you argument to be valid compare bullets of similar sectional densities and bullet shapes(ie boattail vs. boattail etc.).
For the .260 rem a more fair comparison would be 120gr. vs. .30 cal 165gr.
130 gr. vs.180, and 140 vs. 190 gr.

Now if direct comparisons are made between these pairings of bullet weights you can see the .260 is no longer at the performance deficit you think it is.

Let's use the 140 vs 190 to make SD and bullet shape similar. We must then compare factory loads.

260 @ 2500fps vs 300 @ 2900fps.

Handloads:

260 @ 2800fps vs 300 @ 3200fps.

400fps is quite a difference all else being equal.

 

[todbartell]

where do you get 2500 fps with a factory 140gr in a 260 Remington?

and how do you get 3200 fps with a 190gr in 300 Win Mag without blowing your face off?

let's talk real facts here, not make believe mumbo jumbo numbers

 

[skhunter]

factory 140's in a 260 Rem are rated at 2700-2750 fps, and handloads I've shot in 23" barrel 260's go in the 2750-2830 fps range with H4831sc & RL17

I'm using Hogdon reload data max loads for velocity. I guess their out to lunch.

 

[todbartell]

www.hodgdon.com

260 Rem w/ 140gr Partition
50.5grs H1000 2730 fps
47.0 grs IMR 7828ssc 2755 fps
44.0 grs IMR 4831 2715 fps
43.0 grs IMR 4350 2715 fps

300 Win Mag w/ 190gr Interlock
fastest velocity 2990 fps w/ 81 grs H1000


I think you need glasses

 

[blargon]

What's your take on this cartridge? I looked it up and it's a .308 necked down to 6.5 mm, with the ballistics of a .300 Win Mag, low recoil, good barrel life and very accurate to boot. What's not to like?

Great cartridge! I'm on my second .260, a custom Sako 75 lightweight I just had put together. Shoots tiny groups with 100gr BT's, and now I'm working on a 130gr load.

I'm using Hogdon reload data max loads for velocity. I guess their out to lunch.

The fastest load for a .300 Ultra Mag with a 190 is 3204fps.

 

[358]

The 300 win will not drive a 190 gr. @ 3200 for very long. 190 in a Weatherby about 3100 and an Ultra @ 3200 maybe.
The comparison between the 260 and the 300 shows them to be near ballistic twins. Sawoff is the 260 has less terminal energy, but less recoil. With a shoulder shot on elk the extra energy matters, but a shot to the heart/lung area, little difference. Beauty of the 260 is most rifle in the cal. are quite accurate, and guys/gals can shoot them better than 300's. Also we would tend to shoot a 260 more, also due to less recoil and somewhat less cost. Mark

 

[Kelly Timoffee]

Buy it, and use it.

It will work just fine and help promote good shooting habits.It makes holes in stuff just like many other choices.

Use a quality bullet for large game like we all should be using regardless of chambering and you will have excellent results.

Have to always remember at the average distance most game is taken, which is quite close.Also 99% of rifles no matter the chambering are capable well beyond the ability of the shooter to accurately shoot at distance.

Have no shame in using the .260, and when you out shoot your buddies with big canons you can just smile and keep skinning.

 

[todbartell]

The 300 win will not drive a 190 gr. @ 3200 for very long. 190 in a Weatherby about 3100 and an Ultra @ 3200 maybe.
The comparison between the 260 and the 300 shows them to be near ballistic twins. Sawoff is the 260 has less terminal energy, but less recoil. With a shoulder shot on elk the extra energy matters, but a shot to the heart/lung area, little difference. Beauty of the 260 is most rifle in the cal. are quite accurate, and guys/gals can shoot them better than 300's. Also we would tend to shoot a 260 more, also due to less recoil and somewhat less cost. Mark

wow someone actually making sense in this thread...........what the hell?

 

[martinbns]

I've owned a few 260's over the past ten years. Six different rifles. It's a great cartridge, very accurate usually with most any load tried. Effective on any deer or similar sized game out to 400 yards and in a pinch can take moose or elk if needed. I've pretty much settled on the 130 grain bullet @ 2800-2850 fps for a hunting load now, either Nosler Accubond, Swift Scirocco or Barnes TSX

Like Tod, I've had 2 and have settled on 125/129 gr bullets.

Great cartridge.

 

[skhunter]

www.hodgdon.com

260 Rem w/ 140gr Partition
50.5grs H1000 2730 fps
47.0 grs IMR 7828ssc 2755 fps
44.0 grs IMR 4831 2715 fps
43.0 grs IMR 4350 2715 fps

300 Win Mag w/ 190gr Interlock
fastest velocity 2990 fps w/ 81 grs H1000


I think you need glasses

I think you are right! I don't know what I was looking at. Do you know a good optometrist.

I do see a 260 in my future.

 

[todbartell]

don't get me wrong, the 300 Win Mag is an excellent cartridge and very effective on larger game, I just whacked a 6'6" blackie with mine 2 weeks ago (the 260 was at home in the safe), but guess which one was at the range the other night?

 

[martinbns]

The 300 win mag and 260 rem would make a great 2 rifle north american battery. Use the 300 when hunting multiple species as is often the case in the west where a guy might be carrying an elk or moose tag and deer or bear. Then use the 260 when it's just whitetails or mulies on the menu and in the winter when it's coyotes load some 100 grain bullets in the 260.

What a great idea...oh wait a minute I did that for several years last decade.

 

[bearkilr]

www.hodgdon.com

260 Rem w/ 140gr Partition
50.5grs H1000 2730 fps
47.0 grs IMR 7828ssc 2755 fps
44.0 grs IMR 4831 2715 fps
43.0 grs IMR 4350 2715 fps

300 Win Mag w/ 190gr Interlock
fastest velocity 2990 fps w/ 81 grs H1000


I think you need glasses

So exactly what does that prove? The 260 has a similar trajectory with a 140 grain as the 300 Winmag does with a 190?

Why not compare the 260 to the 264 Winmag? At least we'd be dealing with the same bullets.

 

[Anfoman76]

So exactly what does that prove? The 260 has a similar trajectory with a 140 grain as the 300 Winmag does with a 190?

Why not compare the 260 to the 264 Winmag? At least we'd be dealing with the same bullets.

OMG I give

 

[todbartell]

So exactly what does that prove? The 260 has a similar trajectory with a 140 grain as the 300 Winmag does with a 190?

Why not compare the 260 to the 264 Winmag? At least we'd be dealing with the same bullets.

It proves that the 260 Remington with a 140gr bullet matches a 300 Win Mag with a 190gr in trajectory and wind drift out to 1000 yards. This has been mentioned and explained a few times in this thread already.

Sure we could compare the 260 to the 264 Win Mag if you'd like. Any time you push the same bullet faster, you'll make it shoot flatter and drift less in the wind. This higher velocity comes at the expense of more recoil, longer & heavier rifles (all things equal), shorter barrel life and less accuracy. There's a reason why long range competition shooters choose the 260 Remington or 6.5 Creedmoor or 6.5x55 or 6.5-284 Win over the 264 Win Mag or 6.5 STW

Nosler manual shows the highest velocity load with the 264 Win Mag & 130gr Accubond to be 3166 fps with RL22. For the 260 Remington, 2911 fps with AA3100. That 250 fps advantage would yield 3.5" less drop than a 260 @ 400 yards when both cartridges are zero'd @ 200 yards.

I don't know about you, but my crosshairs probably wiggle 3.5" at 400 yards from a steady field position. I probably couldn't take advantage of that extra velocity

What I can take advantage of is the lightweight compact rifles the 260 is often chambered in, which come to the shoulder quickly for those common hunting shots in the 50-200 yard range