ATRS AR Gen 3 Rifle Build

I think the finish your commenting on is the G96 gun lube that I used on the bolt/carrier/upper. Some has seeped onto the lower. The ano and finish is great. Try soaking the lower in G96 or WD40 for a bit. The finish turns out very nice.
Beltfed and mountain spruce- thanks for the advice, still looking at options. The magpul buis is temporary, optics will be on it soon. If I decide to still have buis it will probably be Midwest ind. or Yankee hill.

What are others using for backup sights?
 
Spyderfire1 said:
I think the finish your commenting on is the G96 gun lube that I used on the bolt/carrier/upper. Some has seeped onto the lower. The ano and finish is great. Try soaking the lower in G96 or WD40 for a bit. The finish turns out very nice.
Beltfed and mountain spruce- thanks for the advice, still looking at options. The magpul buis is temporary, optics will be on it soon. If I decide to still have buis it will probably be Midwest ind. or Yankee hill.

What are others using for backup sights?
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I'm not talking about your gun oil on the rifle, I'm talking about the patchy finish of the media blasting which is easier to identify when you look closely at any of the exterior ribs/corners. The large flat surfaces were blasted, but many of the corners and tight spots did not receive careful attention. Notice how around the sharp corners and edges the anodizing seems more "gloss" than matte? This is because the finish was not uniform before anodizing. Mediablasting is an art, requires careful attention to detail and excellent eye sight.

On my lower, there is a section where the media blasting actually wore down the flat face, and a straight edge revels an almost 1.5mm dip in the surface. This could have been caused a number of ways, from the operator shifting position to incorrect setup of the mediablasting hardware.

I have years of experience with very high end glass bead blasting for show cars, that's how I identified it.
 
I'm not talking about your gun oil on the rifle, I'm talking about the patchy finish of the media blasting which is easier to identify when you look closely at any of the exterior ribs/corners. The large flat surfaces were blasted, but many of the corners and tight spots did not receive careful attention. Notice how around the sharp corners and edges the anodizing seems more "gloss" than matte? This is because the finish was not uniform before anodizing. Mediablasting is an art, requires careful attention to detail and excellent eye sight.

On my lower, there is a section where the media blasting actually wore down the flat face, and a straight edge revels an almost 1.5mm dip in the surface. This could have been caused a number of ways, from the operator shifting position to incorrect setup of the mediablasting hardware.

I have years of experience with very high end glass bead blasting for show cars, that's how I identified it.
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Seriously????

Do you buy your firearms to use or look at?
 
Farmboy said:
Seriously????

Do you buy your firearms to use or look at?
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Well I can't help I notice stuff like that. Never mind that it effects the quality of the finish. When you pay $500 for a incomplete lower, you expect it to be perfect. You may not care, but I do, I work hard for my money.
 
NavyCuda said:
Well I can't help I notice stuff like that. Never mind that it effects the quality of the finish. When you pay $500 for a incomplete lower, you expect it to be perfect. You may not care, but I do, I work hard for my money.
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Not to mention that it begs the question as to the rest of the gun's quality (even though I think it looks great :ar15: ). No offence Farmboy, but I'm surprised to hear a dealer say something like: "Seriously????

Do you buy your firearms to use or look at?"

At the very least it appears disrespectful...

If someone is paying for top drawer they should expect no less in return. Questar just recently sold a bunch of Noveske's for less than the OP paid for his gun. Since I have seen one, I am confident that there are no such issues with them. Yes I know they are hard to come by, and believe in patronizing Canadian manufacturers and have done so in the past. But if one is going to charge top price, one should expect high expectations. All in my humble opinion of course.
 
I am exceptionally picky. I found three flaws in the lower that I didn't like. That said, I believe the machining and design is first rate. ATRS's customer service makes my lower nearly worth the $500 even with the blemishes, which most people could never see.

I believe that the media blasting only causes cosmetic issues in this instance, as the anodizing is beautiful in person. Yes it is "patchy" to me, and yes my standards are very high but I doubt very much that there is any further quality concerns.

The other two issues are also cosmetic and I doubt that it would effect the function or lifespan of the lower. Other than bother me enough to consider selling it :(. I will finish the rifle before I make up my mind on selling it...

Rick has been one of the best people to deal with, though I never brought these concerns to his attention. This thread is the first time that I've mentioned it.

You'll notice though, there are plenty of people and dealers on CGN willing to overlook quality issues and berate anyone willing to speak up about them. I think that speaks volumes about the quality of their business practice. I personally believe Rick runs a first rate shop based off my dealings with him.

As I mentioned earlier, media blasting is an art and not just anyone can do a good job of it, and you have to look very close to notice it, unless you're very familiar with media blasting.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend something from ATRS to anyone in the future. My complaints are the nick-picks of a perfectionist. They are valid complaints in my opinion, but shouldn't be used as a basis to refuse to purchase from ATRS. I will still be buying an upper from them and a number of other parts.
 
NavyCuda said:
I am exceptionally picky.
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It's probably good that you don't actually use your guns then. Cause when they get used, they get dirty, scratched, bumped, marked up, etc. They get 'character'.

They're tools to be used and enjoyed. And tools will show signed of wear and use,.

That's how it's should be anyway.
 
NavyCuda said:
I am exceptionally picky.... the anodizing is beautiful in person. Yes it is "patchy" to me, and yes my standards are very high...
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Are you going to shoot it or just hang it on a wall?


NavyCuda said:
media blasting is an art and not just anyone can do a good job of it
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A good job and an exceptional job are two very different things, and very subjective.
I guess the context is what most people don't get - you wouldn't finish a show car to the extent that you would on one that sees the street, and if you did it wouldn't last very long.

NavyCuda said:
My complaints are the nick-picks of a perfectionist. They are valid complaints in my opinion...
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Yep, everyone has and is entitled to one.
 
wicked_police said:
It's probably good that you don't actually use your guns then. Cause when they get used, they get dirty, scratched, bumped, marked up, etc. They get 'character'.

They're tools to be used and enjoyed. And tools will show signed of wear and use,.

That's how it's should be anyway.
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Actually I use my firearms, get them scratched, abuse them even. Just as I would any car I built for myself. That doesn't justify a less than perfect finish on a high end rifle.

When I buy my snap on tools, I get them scratched but you can be damn sure I would return one if the chrome is less than perfect.

Any show car I've had my hand in has seen the strip and cruised the street and is built to last, but I don't skimp on the finish on the lower control arms because no one will see them. I take pride in my work, I try to ensure it shows through in all aspects of it.

My Sig Sauer 1911 was perfect when new, now it has scratches and dings, signs of character, but the perfect finish shows through non-the-less. When my AR is beat up, I will still be able to see the imperfections in the original finish, because that is the way I am.

So if you're ok with a less than perfect finish, that's great for you and your wallet. I on the other hand pay for the best, because I expect the best.
 
NavyCuda said:
I on the other hand pay for the best, because I expect the best.
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If you pay for and expect the best, I would say there are other places to look for lowers.

Oh, btw. Did your 'best' ATR lower include the dpms lpk that the first couple runs were supplied with? You'll be hard pressed to find any knowledgeable person that will call anything from dpms the 'best'.
 
wicked_police said:
If you pay for and expect the best, I would say there are other places to look for lowers.

Oh, btw. Did your 'best' ATR lower include the dpms lpk that the first couple runs were supplied with? You'll be hard pressed to find any knowledgeable person that will call anything from dpms the 'best'.
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If you read my post, you would have noticed I said incomplete lower. I felt the ATRS is the best Canada has to offer, but I am still researching what parts I will use to complete the rifle. HK416 diopter for my irons, Aimpoint CompM4s on an ARMS mount. Geissele trigger. Still lots of other choices to make.
 
NavyCuda said:
I felt the ATRS is the best Canada has to offer...
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There are other excellent options.

NavyCuda said:
....HK416 diopter for my irons, Aimpoint CompM4s on an ARMS mount. Geissele trigger. Still lots of other choices to make.
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You're sounding like this guy. Except for wanting an arms mount of course. With all the other superior mounting options, do people still use arms???

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5838279&postcount=40
 
Very nice build. I like the side sling rings, ASAP plate and the flash supressor and the Canada emblem. This I am sure was an expensive piece. ATRS makes fantastic weapon configurations. Very nice.
 
NavyCuda said:
I am exceptionally picky. I found three flaws in the lower that I didn't like. That said, I believe the machining and design is first rate. ATRS's customer service makes my lower nearly worth the $500 even with the blemishes, which most people could never see.

I believe that the media blasting only causes cosmetic issues in this instance, as the anodizing is beautiful in person. Yes it is "patchy" to me, and yes my standards are very high but I doubt very much that there is any further quality concerns.

The other two issues are also cosmetic and I doubt that it would effect the function or lifespan of the lower. Other than bother me enough to consider selling it :(. I will finish the rifle before I make up my mind on selling it...

Rick has been one of the best people to deal with, though I never brought these concerns to his attention. This thread is the first time that I've mentioned it.

You'll notice though, there are plenty of people and dealers on CGN willing to overlook quality issues and berate anyone willing to speak up about them. I think that speaks volumes about the quality of their business practice. I personally believe Rick runs a first rate shop based off my dealings with him.

As I mentioned earlier, media blasting is an art and not just anyone can do a good job of it, and you have to look very close to notice it, unless you're very familiar with media blasting.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend something from ATRS to anyone in the future. My complaints are the nick-picks of a perfectionist. They are valid complaints in my opinion, but shouldn't be used as a basis to refuse to purchase from ATRS. I will still be buying an upper from them and a number of other parts.
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If there are ANY issues that you are not satisfied with please either email me or call me so I can try to resolve whatever they are.
I take great pride in what we do and believe in 100% customer satisfaction where ever possible, so please take a few minutes and contact me.
Rick
 
Back to optics: I second the vote for the Trijicon 1-4x. I've got one and it amazes everyone who looks through it. I feel it's the best option for a VERSATILE optic. If you've got lots of money, I'd go with a good scope and an offset mount for a dot. My .02
 
heyrosco said:
Back to optics: I second the vote for the Trijicon 1-4x. I've got one and it amazes everyone who looks through it. I feel it's the best option for a VERSATILE optic.
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Agreed.

I friggin love my 1-4x Trijicon Accupoint. Best kept secret in optics. It has WAY better eye relief than my ACOG.

Turn it down to 1x and you have an Aimpoint/EoTech that doesn't need batteries. It's brilliant.
 
ViktorF said:
Beautiful... as for optic's, youve gone 100% Canadian to this point, so why stop now?

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What optic is this? Anyone know? I like how it looks.
 
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