No4 MkI* US PROPERTY Marked, With Stock Relieved For A Mag Cutoff

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I recently looked at a No4 MkI* US PROPERTY marked. It date was 1942 and appears to have been used very little. The thing that interests me was the forestock, it was relieved on the right side for a magazine cut off. The gun dos not have a mag cutoff but they made the stock for a gun that did. I didn't know the early Savage manufactured No4s had that kind of stock.
The serial number starts with 33C and is all matching and looks like it was handled and shot a few times but not beat around like most.
Everything has an S stamped on it, sling swivels, wood, and mag.
A nice piece for any Enfield collection.

Has anyone observed a US No4 with a stock relieved for a Magazine cutoff?
 
albayo said:
I recently looked at a No4 MkI* US PROPERTY marked. It date was 1942 and appears to have been used very little. The thing that interests me was the forestock, it was relieved on the right side for a magazine cut off. The gun dos not have a mag cutoff but they madei the stock for a gun that did. I didn't know the early Savage manufactured No4s had that kind of stock.
The serial number starts with 33C and is all matching and looks like it was handled and shot a few times but not beat around like most.
Everything has an S stamped on it, sling swivels, wood, and mag.
A nice piece for any Enfield collection.

Has anyone observed a US No4 with a stock relieved for a Magazine cutoff?
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Yes, all manufacturers of No4MkI can be found with the low stock.
 
Low Wall Stock

Check for Long Branch stamps on the wood. Many LB stocks were shipped to Savage during periods when they were short and at the beginning of their production.
 
bearhunter said:
Check for Long Branch stamps on the wood. Many LB stocks were shipped to Savage during periods when they were short and at the beginning of their production.
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It's also quite common to see Savage rifles clad in LB wood and bands, as all of Savage's leftovers were shipped to SAL/LB at the end of Savage's contract.
 
Can some of the Enfield gurus answer a few questions for me? I recently came upon a 43 Long Branch that had a magazine cutoff installed on the receiver sitting in a low wall stock. I was quite surprised as I didn't think No.4 LE had cutoffs installed... the gun had gone through FTR and was in pretty good shape but it looked like it saw some service. Was this an experimental gun that the commonwealth was playing with or did someone do it themselves?
 
Orochi said:
Can some of the Enfield gurus answer a few questions for me? I recently came upon a 43 Long Branch that had a magazine cutoff installed on the receiver sitting in a low wall stock. I was quite surprised as I didn't think No.4 LE had cutoffs installed... the gun had gone through FTR and was in pretty good shape but it looked like it saw some service. Was this an experimental gun that the commonwealth was playing with or did someone do it themselves?
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Pictures Please!!!
 
I wish the gun was mine haha but unfortunately it is not so pictures :( I met the gentleman at the range the other day and had a little chat with him about it. Said he got it from his dad who was in the military (stationed in Germany at the time).

I did a google search on this and came across these pictures which I thought was interesting
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Orochi said:
Can some of the Enfield gurus answer a few questions for me? I recently came upon a 43 Long Branch that had a magazine cutoff installed on the receiver sitting in a low wall stock. I was quite surprised as I didn't think No.4 LE had cutoffs installed... the gun had gone through FTR and was in pretty good shape but it looked like it saw some service. Was this an experimental gun that the commonwealth was playing with or did someone do it themselves?
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So-called low wood is simply where the right sidewall has a noticeable scoop. Later versions are straight across from the receiver ring to beside the sight base. The first sets of drawings had that element, and as production got rolling and the manufacturers looked for efficiencies, the scooped out wood was eliminated. Fewer steps, faster production, fewer chances for rejection.

In the beginning of the No.4 development, many elements of the No.1 rifle were carried forward. The pre-WWI concept of a single shot cut off was one of them. That lump on the right side of the receiver was supposed to be the base for the pivoting platform. The same chaotical British design process left other anachronisms, like the No.32 telescope for the BREN gun and the telescope base on the BREN gun.

Getting back to the pictures, that might be a mid-1930's Trials rifle, looking at the knob striker and cutoff. But my knowledge is limited there. So someone else will need to make a more definitive ID.
 
Orochi said:
Can some of the Enfield gurus answer a few questions for me? I recently came upon a 43 Long Branch that had a magazine cutoff installed on the receiver sitting in a low wall stock. I was quite surprised as I didn't think No.4 LE had cutoffs installed... the gun had gone through FTR and was in pretty good shape but it looked like it saw some service. Was this an experimental gun that the commonwealth was playing with or did someone do it themselves?
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This is something that we really need pictures of. Usually by early 1942, Long Branch was producing the No.4 Mark 1* rifle which has a modified bolt release.

Does the bolt release from a slot near the front of the action, or from a plunger and spring near the back of the action?

What are the first numbers and letter on the serial number?

With some good pictures, particularly of the markings and such, we should be able to positively identify it.

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buffdog said:
This is something that we really need pictures of. Usually by early 1942, Long Branch was producing the No.4 Mark 1* rifle which has a modified bolt release.

Does the bolt release from a slot near the front of the action, or from a plunger and spring near the back of the action?

What are the first numbers and letter on the serial number?

With some good pictures, particularly of the markings and such, we should be able to positively identify it.

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I can't remember the position of the bolt release or the serial # sorry... All I remember is that it was a 1943 Long Branch that is marked F (FTR) and had a magazine cutoff installed in the receiver. It pretty much looked like the pictures that I have provided above...
 
This is indeed a Mystery.

A Trials rifle I can understand with the cutoff, that or an SMLE Number 1 Mark VI. But the Trials were over in the early 1930s, this rifle is a decade later..... and right in the middle of the War!

Photos are NEEDED.
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Orochi said:
I can't remember the position of the bolt release or the serial # sorry... All I remember is that it was a 1943 Long Branch that is marked F (FTR) and had a magazine cutoff installed in the receiver. It pretty much looked like the pictures that I have provided above...
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I can believe it had low cut wood, but as for the cutoff...not likely. If it had one it would be the only one ever made. The receivers did not have the machine work done to accept a cutoff.

I've seen some very early LB's and none of them had any hint of a cutoff, other than the wood cutaway for it.
 
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