model 70 300 mag (1938)

what would you consider a modest price for this gun in origional very good condition? The serial number is 17,###

Does a supergrade stock have a black pitolgrip cap with a white line brtween the wood and the cap?

The floorplate does not say supergrade on it-the info that I found says that the supergrade should say 'supergrade' on the floorplate. That isn't that big of a deal to me though. Is there a chance that these early models didn't have that stamped in the floorplate?
 
what would you consider a modest price for this gun in origional very good condition? The serial number is 17,###

What is the value of a 1938 Win. Model 70 Super Grade in .300 H&H in very good condition and completely original?

Damned if I know...but I'll bet it's a helluva lot more than $1000! There's not a lot of these puppies lying around any more that haven't already been snapped up by collectors over the years.

On the other hand, if it's a 1938 model that's had the stock changed out, or had any other alterations, but still is in very good condition, my guess is that it's still worth the thousand bucks.

For the big bucks, you do your homework first.

For a grand or so, you're not taking a real big risk...or so it would seem to me.
 
rembo,

No cheekpeice even if its a supergrade??? I do beleive the gun is a supergrade, if not, It was placed in a later supergrade stock then. I would rather not post pics until I get it. It is someone elses gun still.

You will need to post pics if you want a good estimation on its worth. You are talking about a rifle that could be worth anywhere between $600 to $5000 (maybe more?). Look on some of the sites south of the border. There are lots of Pre 64 Winchesters for sale, but the prices vary widely depending on condition, rarity etc..

Here is one site that has some pretty nice pre 64's:

http://daverifflegunsales.com.phtemp.com/70.htm
 
For instance, here is a 1958 300H&H that I paid a lot more than $1000 for ;). But, in the end it would have cost me more than I paid to get one in the same condition up from the US.

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There is a pre war 300 Magnum(H&H) up the road from me in really good condition, I have handled it a few times. The owner turned down $3500 more than once...
 
There was a recent magazine article concerning these, but I can't find it right now. Officiandos include the likes of Terry Wieland and Layne Simpson.

There's three classes of Win. Model 70s: Pre-WWII, post WWII - pre '64, and post '64. The rarest, and thus most desirable and most valuable, are the pre-WWII versions. Because Winchester also launched the .300 H&H Magnum at about the same time as the Model 70, I would suspect that a vintage '38 could have considerable value.

Terry Wieland has a good article in the May 2011 issue of "Rifle", "Restoration: Comedy or Tragedy". One of the first points he makes regarding collectors' value is that condition is everything. a) it must be completely original, including finish, and b) it must be in very good condition. Collectors are not very interested in beat up, battle scarred (some military guns aside) nor even slightly modified, firearms.

From what I've read, the pre-WWII Model 70 is just about the holy grail of collectible American made sporting rifles. Caliber is very significant relative to value, in part because of rarity due to limited production numbers. Prior to WWII the 30.06 completely dominated the sporting rifle market, and thus it is likely that early production numbers of the new to the US market .300 H&H Magnum were somewhat limited. Indeed, the "Super Thirty", as the first incarnation of the .300 H&H was called, was the Brits' answer to the 30.06, and originally it's performance was only marginally better. It was when Winchester introduced the caliber along with the Model 70, it ultimately became known in the US as the .300 H&H Magnum. And the sudden fame of this caliber in the US was the result of a long range competition victory, albeit by literally a hair.

I doubt that there's any issues with loading the .300 H&H to its potential with modern powders for use with this rifle.

I don't think it would be terribly difficult to authenticate the originality of the rifle's components, given the availability of access to experts via the Internet these days. An article I read a couple years back specifically about collectible Winchesters placed a lot of emphasis on precisely this matter, in large part because some of these rifles...in particular pre-WWII Model 70s... are so valuable that forgeries are not uncommon.

First place to look would be forums/websites dedicated specifically to collectible Winchesters. There you should be able to make contact with someone with access to the latest "Blue Book" for approximate values.
 
Here's a pic of four Pre'64's I owned last year. The lower one is a '53 Supergrade,...no cheekpiece...an 1938 SG stock will definetly not have a cheekpiece.
The other three are Featherweights with the Monte Carlo stock, from top to bottom, '55 308, '53 308 and '59 30-06
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