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wondering if any one might have any info of the .22 303's we used in cadets? are they around for purchase? it's been years but i seem to recall that they looked,felt and operated just like a regular 303 just chambered in.22 for indoor ranges.

thanks in advance,
 
There's a couple for sale in the EE, but if you're looking for the No.4 style, you're going to have to part with a lot of money. I don't know whereabouts you're located, but I do know that here in Ontario about 500 of the cadet training rifles were transported to the Stelco furnaces under heavy guard and chucked right into the smelters. Those self-styled protectors of the public good just couldn't possibly sell these to responsible collectors as they'd be seen as selling weapons. There was also the fear that they may wind up in the hands of the criminal element. We all know how the gangbangers are lusting to get their hands on a 4', eleven pound, single shot .22. As I said, they're around, but few and far between and pretty pricey.
 
The demand for No. 7 rifles exceeds supply.
There will not be any more coming onto the market. Ones that were held by cadet corps are being recalled, deactivated, and used as drill rifles.
I have seen cased specimens listed as high as $1200.
MLE/SMLE based .22 conversions - there are a variety of them - seem to command lower prices. You should be able to get a shooter for $400 - $500. Most common version is the No.2 Mk. IV*.
 
"...demand for No. 7 rifles exceeds supply..." By a whole lot too. Most of 'em were chopped years ago. Milarm Co, in Edmonton, is asking $1500 for a No. 7 in excellent condition.
"...were held by cadet corps are being recalled..." Long ago. No real rifles at Corps level at all any more. Daisy air rifles only now.
 
sunray said:
"...were held by cadet corps are being recalled..." Long ago. No real rifles at Corps level at all any more. Daisy air rifles only now.
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We lost ours within the past year.
Had all three patterns of receiver markings, too. Made '44, '45, '46. One had been drilled and tapped for a PH5A SMLE sight.
 
Cadet corps holding C7s in their inventory? No. Closest cadets might get to C7s is if senior cadets are taken to Connaught or another base for familiarization firing.
 
No. Cadet corps do not hold C7 rifles in their inventory.
If a cadet corps trains in a CF facility, there will be C7 rifles held by the CF unit.
But these rifles are not cadet stores.
 
king66 said:
wondering if any one might have any info of the .22 303's we used in cadets?
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Some background information for you .. ;)

We have the Canadian Long Branch .22 trainer showcased complete with a 123 pic virtual tour in the Canada - Milsurp Knowledge Library (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=117-canada.

1944 C No.7 .22 Caliber Lee-Enfield Training Rifle (click here) http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=2134

"All Matching Serial Numbers"
"c/w transit chest, cleaning rod, jags, bore brush, DND ammo & small bore targets "

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One of the best books I've ever read (and trained with) on shooting the Enfield rifle is available in electronic format, professionally scanned (thanks to Ian Robertson), in the Knowledge Library section Technical Articles for Milsurp Collectors and Re-loaders (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php...esearch-for-milsurp-collectors-and-re-loaders

"Shoot-to-Live" - 1945 (click here)

Presenting the Johnson Method of Musketry Coaching As Adopted By the Canadian Army, Ottawa, Chief of the General Staff.

This is an excellent Canadian Government issued training manual. If you are specifically a collector and shooter of Lee Enfield rifles, you'll find this to be an outstanding reference work and it contains a wealth of information on how to properly shoot the No.4 Mk1 Enfield, although much of the content is applicable to any bolt action rifle. I remember being issued this manual as part of our regimental rifle team, which used the C No.7 .22 Rifle on indoor ranges, when I was a little younger back in the early 60's. ;)

Hope this helps... :)

Regards,
Doug
 
the only thing i have for one of these trainers is the magizine for them with the platform with a gap in the back for the spent shells to go down.
 
thats what i was told. i guess my old man has a few more and another ph t.z.4\47 sniper sight. among other items
 
tiriaq said:
No. Cadet corps do not hold C7 rifles in their inventory.
If a cadet corps trains in a CF facility, there will be C7 rifles held by the CF unit.
But these rifles are not cadet stores.
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thay get to shoot them like once a month on the indoor range and that range is also where the cop's go for the shooting test

i know some one who go's there and ive been in thay even have some ww2 tanks and trucks
 
camerl2009 said:
thay get to shoot them like once a month on the indoor range and that range is also where the cop's go for the shooting test

i know some one who go's there and ive been in thay even have some ww2 tanks and trucks
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I think the source of this argument/misunderstanding is the military nomenclature.

The C7 is a selective fire Canadian version of the M-16 rifle. Tiriaq is right that likely no cadet unit will hold these, much less fire them.

There was a semi auto 22 caliber version of the C7 rifle made for the cadets by Diemaco. However, by the time it came out, it was too late. Between the anti-gun climate of the government, along with the closing of the indoor ranges due to lead contamination, the C10s disappeared into the abyss of the depots.

The Cno7 is the later nomenclature for the .22 cal version of the Cno4mk1* rifle. Some units may still have theirs, but in all likelihood, they will all be withdrawn in the next while and the rifles will be either placed in depot stock, converted to Drill Purpose, or else sent to the smelters.
 
stencollector said:
I think the source of this argument/misunderstanding is the military nomenclature.

The C7 is a selective fire Canadian version of the M-16 rifle. Tiriaq is right that likely no cadet unit will hold these, much less fire them.

There was a semi auto 22 caliber version of the C7 rifle made for the cadets by Diemaco. However, by the time it came out, it was too late. Between the anti-gun climate of the government, along with the closing of the indoor ranges due to lead contamination, the C10s disappeared into the abyss of the depots.

The Cno7 is the later nomenclature for the .22 cal version of the Cno4mk1* rifle. Some units may still have theirs, but in all likelihood, they will all be withdrawn in the next while and the rifles will be either placed in depot stock, converted to Drill Purpose, or else sent to the smelters.
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well end of story thay have them may not be full auto but thay have them
 
camerl2009 said:
well end of story thay have them may not be full auto but thay have them
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So you are telling me that a cadet unit has the 5.56 caliber magazine fed selective fire C7 rifle and are firing these on an indoor range?

Amazing. Are these the original ones with the carry handle, the later ones with the Elcan C79 optical sight, or the latest ones with the green furniture, collapsible butt, and triad rails?

I must say that I am quite impressed that your indoor range is licensed for that caliber. Not many of the DND indoor ranges are (or were).
 
stencollector said:
So you are telling me that a cadet unit has the 5.56 caliber magazine fed selective fire C7 rifle and are firing these on an indoor range?

Amazing. Are these the original ones with the carry handle, the later ones with the Elcan C79 optical sight, or the latest ones with the green furniture, collapsible butt, and triad rails?

I must say that I am quite impressed that your indoor range is licensed for that caliber. Not many of the DND indoor ranges are (or were).
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no thay mite be them .22 lr ones i'll take a pic next time i go to look at the tanks :)
 
stencollector said:
If you mean the C10, then that's even more unlikely than the cadets having the C7. I would love for you to prove me wrong on this though. The C10 could have been a fun rifle, and acted as a stepping stone in a youth's career path from the cadets to the reserves to the reg forces.
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yep idk i'll take a pic i dont think thay will let me into the invtory but we will see :)

the person i know is in charge of cleaning the weapons and storing them

thay do want to up grade a bit so there getting rid of some of the no. 7 enfields i'll see if i could buy one
 
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