Type 88 Sniper
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As with everyone else that saw type 88 rifle available I got hard wanting to put it on the cc without even holding her or looking thru the window! Its nice to see someone bringing something new into this country with all the f@#ked up laws that dont make any sense. But after reading the majority of the comments I gave my head a shake and realized $3K is rather steep for a chinese manufactured rifle. No disrespect to the company bringing it in but if you put 2 and 2 together the money the manufacturer spent to complete this rifle is a fraction of what we pay for it. For the past years theyve flooded our markets with cheap knock offs that the average man would pay just to hold a similar american rifle (M14,Ar15 etc). Maybe the chinese defense companies have finally realized that when they introduce something new all of us will pay an arm and leg just to touch it. Just because something new comes out and you want to be the first to have it at the range or with your buddies isnt worth it! Soon all the CQ4's and m305's will be upwards of $1k. I put my wallet away because it cost them $16 to produce this rifle, and the manufacturer is gouging us with a blade made to kill a dinosaur!!!!
I'm assuming you picked this number out of thin air to make a point and it is not intended to be believed. No problem with that.
Nevertheless, we must take into account the cost of manufacturing a reliable and accurate* military rifle, an equally accurate and reliable telescopic sight, a bipod, and any other accessories. Even in China this is going to cost a fair penny. China has been undergoing tremendous growth for a decade or two, so much so that its manufacturing costs now exceed those of many of its neighbours.Then add in the importation costs -- we've already seen these thrashed out in other threads.
how is it compare to RFB...?
Personally i think RFB is better... but again, i havnt seen the 88..
RFB is lighter, shorter, more advanced design, more powerfull round,and CHEAPPER price...
Any thoughts on this..?
So we end up with a proven reliable sniper rifle, complete with scope and bipod, that costs $600 more than an unproven, if very exciting, new battle rifle -- minus scope and bipod -- from a company with a reputation for producing inexpensive firearms of "iffy" quality. Don't get me wrong here, Kel Tec is improving and I may very well end up with an RFB and a KSG but I may equally well opt for the Type 88. Insufficient data.
* "reliable and accurate": if a Chinese company sells inferior firearms to Canadians (which they no longer do
) we stop buying from them. If they sell inferior firearms to the Chinese Army, the Chinese Army demonstrates the reliability of their previous generation firearms to them while they stand in front of a wall.* "reliable and accurate": if a Chinese company sells inferior firearms to Canadians (which they no longer do
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Too bad it isn't the original 5.7x42mm
Definitely interested though.
Definitely interested though.
Except a good gun.
Why does everyone instantly shy away from "Made in China"? Many of the things you depend on everyday are made in china: your phone, computer, tv and parts of your car....probably 70-90% of the stuff you own is made in China. I would bet on that.
It is definitely a collectors rifle. Yes Id buy one because I want one for the collection if the money wasn't an issue. Your Jaguar example is a good analogy.
As for not being in the 80s. Actually this rifle is from the late 80s. I love bullpups but there are some ergonomic flaws with this one. Flaws that either don't exist or have been limited with the Modern military bullpups such as Tavor, FS2000, PS90 etc.
But it comes down to wanting/collecting. Frankly unless the price was a huge bargain like the infamous Type97 saga, then it's not going to appeal to the average shooter. There are other alternatives around that price point which are well known. Plus there are also cheaper alternatives.
I think your Jaguar analogy really hit the mark.
I was just about to say this.
You (in general) seriously cannot have some super American-type attitude and just think "It's from 'dem god darned Chinamen! It ain't American! Ain't worth squat!" *pa-ting* (sound of chewing tobacco vs bucket).
70% of the sh!t in your house is Chinese/Taiwanese etc made. I actually ordered some gear for my high end photography hobby/past time. Sure, I may have bought the Japanese camera (Made in Japan), but the lens is Canon and made in Taiwan, and then 90% of the accessories I bought are from Hong Kong and China ebay stores...they look IDENTICAL and work the exact same as the Canon branded ones...its actually been rumoured (and chances are its true) that these products are from the Canon Factory, but without the Canon logo (hence the much lower price).
Are these products identical to the Japanese/American/Euro counterparts? Well...some yes, but mostly no. Are they worse? Only in some aspects, but 99% of the time, they work the same. Bonus? They cost 1/5th to 1/10th of the price of the real deal.
That's the only diff here, that the Rifle costs 3K, which a little less than I am selling my TRG42 with optics for.... so maybe it is a little overpriced.
HOWEVER. It isnt some knock off of an american rifle. Its not some cheap clone like a Norco hp9 (which work quite well apparently). Its a unique rifle.
I would bet money on it, that the rifle works REALLY well and on par with the Kel-Tec RFB, maybe even better...
If there is ONE thing Communist Empires do well, its armament. Russians? Ak47... fraction of the cost of an M16, and it wins out every time!
Just random ideas/thoughts I thought I would toss out there
Thats because China has long been a source of cheap sweatshop labour, and lax environmental laws. To top that off Chinese manufacturers are notorious for poor quality control, and cutting corners.
Not all Chinese manufacturers produce poor quality (and sometimes dangerous) products... but far too many do.
Back on topic: Norinco has never been known to produce high quality firearms, but cheap and functional ones; so something is awry when we see a Norinco for $3000
Apple products are made in China (by Foxconn, the world's largest manufacturer of electronics components), yet widespread scathing critiques on their quality (or lack thereof) are conspicuously absent.
Norinco, as I understand, isn't a singular manufacturing firm, but the "face" that represents China's defense industry.
Norinco, as I understand, isn't a singular manufacturing firm, but the "face" that represents China's defense industry.
I think it is just an exporter, not a manufacturer. Correct me if I am wrong. I hate the argument "70% of your stuff is made in China so why not buy more chinese stuff". When I have the choice I like to buy North American made. I have had norincos and they aren't that bad, it's more or less where I want my money going for me.
I have to agree with 1fel1ne 100%. While you can get some good products out of China, they have to be checked each and every time by someone on this end to insure quality control as built inpride is an alien concept in the land of total profit at any cost. I prefer a known quality to a reduced price.
I prefer dealing with a trusted brand based on a client history.
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