GLOCK 22 GEN 4 or S&W MP 40

Which one should I get for my first gun?


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The S&W has the worst reviews out of any hand gun I have ever read about.
If there was ever a place for :rolleyes: this is it. I've owned four Glocks (17, 34, 23, 19) over the past 21 years and have owned an M&P40 for the past two. No question--Glocks are very good, reliable pistols but the M&P series improves on many of the Glock shortcomings to make what I think is a better pistol. I posted this comparison a couple of years ago when I first got my M&P40...and I feel even more strongly than the M&P is a better pistol.
 
If there was ever a place for :rolleyes: this is it. I've owned four Glocks (17, 34, 23, 19) over the past 21 years and have owned an M&P40 for the past two. No question--Glocks are very good, reliable pistols but the M&P series improves on many of the Glock shortcomings to make what I think is a better pistol. I posted this comparison a couple of years ago when I first got my M&P40...and I feel even more strongly than the M&P is a better pistol.

My M&P had trigger issues, sent it back twice before I had to pay a real gun smith to fix it. Also after about 300 rounds it became vary loose and felt like it was going to fall apart. I was afraid to shoot it after awhile and ended up giving it to my buddy, who after another 500 rounds ended up with some kind of failure that would have cost more to fix then what the gun was worth. My complaints about the gun are from my own personal experiences. I would rather have the glock, no matter what they have done to "improve" the M&P. It just failed me, I don't know what else to say...
 
If there was ever a place for :rolleyes: this is it. I've owned four Glocks (17, 34, 23, 19) over the past 21 years and have owned an M&P40 for the past two. No question--Glocks are very good, reliable pistols but the M&P series improves on many of the Glock shortcomings to make what I think is a better pistol. I posted this comparison a couple of years ago when I first got my M&P40...and I feel even more strongly than the M&P is a better pistol.

I have to agree, I owned a Glock when your choice was 17 or 17L, I actually sold that gun before 40 S&W was on the scene. I've owned a Gen 2 G17 and a Gen 3 G19 (which I think is a better gun than the 17). I've owned 2 M&P 9's and an M&P45. Total round count through my current M&P9 is over 20,000 with no issues. My G19 went 10,000 with no issues and I have no doubt the guy who got it after me put another 10,000 through with no issue. The reason I sold the Glocks (more than once) was the crappy 2x4 grip, it just doesn't work for me, I have to work harder to get follow up shots and have to make allowances for the lousy ergonomics of the gun. The M&P on the other hand is much easier for me to manipulate, the grip allows me to get way up on the gun, and the trigger reach is where it needs to be. There are lots of people who pick up a Glock and it fits them perfectly, if this is the case for you, then either one will work fine, there's no question that Glocks give years of solid service. If however you pick up a Glock and can't place the pad of your trigger finger on the trigger without moving your hand around the gun, then you may decide the M&P works better for you. As far as 40 S&W goes, I agree with the guys who suggest a 9mm, there's not a huge difference between the two, and if you can shoot more 9mm that's the way to go.
 
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So you had issues with yours...where are all the reviews that make the M&P the worst reviewed pistol ever? Can you provide links?

I never said it was the worst pistol ever, I said it was the worst "I" have ever read about. Here is a link of the LA Sheriff's Department pulling them from service for a number of reasons.

http://gunnuts.net/2009/04/30/la-sheriffs-department-pulls-mp-pistols/

I don't know about you, but I have never heard of this happening to a glock.
 
My M&P had trigger issues, sent it back twice before I had to pay a real gun smith to fix it. Also after about 300 rounds it became vary loose and felt like it was going to fall apart. I was afraid to shoot it after awhile and ended up giving it to my buddy, who after another 500 rounds ended up with some kind of failure that would have cost more to fix then what the gun was worth. My complaints about the gun are from my own personal experiences. I would rather have the glock, no matter what they have done to "improve" the M&P. It just failed me, I don't know what else to say...

There are actually 7 pieces in the M&P trigger group, 2 parts of the trigger, the pin that holds the 2 parts together, the pin that they ride on, the return spring, the pin that attaches the spring to the trigger, and the bar. If you had a Pro, you may have experienced "sear float" but the fix for that was available within a couple of weeks of the first reported case - I've run splits under .2 and haven't seen any sign of it even though I've run the trigger as low as 2.5 lbs. As far as loose feeling goes, wait until you've had a 92 break a locking block, that's loose. As far as Glock goes, they haven't had a totally problem free existence, my first one broke it's return spring, I've held one that Kaboomed and seen 2 others go, and the Gen3.5 40 cal guns had issues with a flashlight mounted. The current Gen4 guns have had issues with recoil spring assemblies and extractors. This isn't to knock any one gun, it's to knock ALL of them - every single gun made has had issues, way back when, "good, German made" Sigs split the frame rails at the back of the receiver. There's no perfect device that was made by human hands. Smith and Wesson has a lifetime warranty on their guns and 2 warranty centres in Canada. Either gun can be repaired and maintained at home, with little or no tools. There is no "issue" with the M&P that can cost more to fix than the pistol costs new, simply not possible.

To the OP, all of this can be taken for what it's worth, but seriously, before you buy any gun, go to w-w-w.pistol-training dot com. and read the short piece about 3/4 of the way down the first page on the subject of "which gun" - Todd nails it again.
 
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There are actually 7 pieces in the M&P trigger group, 2 parts of the trigger, the pin that holds the 2 parts together, the pin that they ride on, the return spring, the pin that attaches the spring to the trigger, and the bar. If you had a Pro, you may have experienced "sear float" but the fix for that was available within a couple of weeks of the first reported case - I've run splits under .2 and haven't seen any sign of it even though I've run the trigger as low as 2.5 lbs. As far as loose feeling goes, wait until you've had a 92 break a locking block, that's loose. As far as Glock goes, they haven't had a totally problem free existence, my first one broke it's return spring, I've held one that Kaboomed and seen 2 others go, and the Gen3.5 40 cal guns had issues with a flashlight mounted. The current Gen4 guns have had issues with recoil spring assemblies and extractors. This isn't to knock any one gun, it's to knock ALL of them - every single gun made has had issues, way back when, "good, German made" Sigs split the frame rails at the back of the receiver. There's no perfect device that was made by human hands. Smith and Wesson has a lifetime warranty on their guns and 2 warranty centres in Canada. Either gun can be repaired and maintained at home, with little or no tools.

I agree... My personal experiences with the gun were bad. I'm sure not all of them will do what mine did, however, I'm one of those fool me once type of people. I just didn't like it, I don't think its the bee's knees and I would rather have the glock. That's my 2 cents...
 
I never said it was the worst pistol ever, I said it was the worst "I" have ever read about. Here is a link of the LA Sheriff's Department pulling them from service for a number of reasons.

http://gunnuts.net/2009/04/30/la-sheriffs-department-pulls-mp-pistols/

I don't know about you, but I have never heard of this happening to a glock.

It's happened, or at least close to. NYPD's glock 19's got some failures and Glock refused to acknowledge the problem until the NYPD literally threatened to pull all 10,000 glocks from service. THAT got glock's attention.

LAPD also pulled the Glock 21 out of service due to multiple catastrophic failures. Portland police as well.


Part of the reason I trust S&W more then glock; S&W hasn't been afraid to issue product recalls and eat the cost of them. In fact it's right on their website:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_757981_-1_757978_757978_image

Glock...good luck in trying to get Glock to admit they've ever had a bad production run.
 
The glock is the AK-47 of hand guns. The S&W has the worst reviews out of any hand gun I have ever read about. I have shot both and the glock is just a better gun. Tons of aftermarket parts for the glock as well.

9mm ammo is cheeper then 40 if that helps.

Are you crazy? I carry a M&P 40 for work and I love it. Shoots great, not as big as the glock 22, grips fit me better so I get a better purchase on the gun and it looks better.

I don't know where you came up with the idea that it sucks, because I've shot 3000 rounds through mine without cleaning it and not a single hiccup yet.

Where are your reviews and proof the m&p sucks?

That being said I own a glock, and I know that glocks are what majority of what leo use, but on the other hand different municipalities in my area are swithing over to the M&P.

For the OP, go to the gun shop and try feel both of the guns. Which ever one you like better, get it.
 
The glock is the AK-47 of hand guns. The S&W has the worst reviews out of any hand gun I have ever read about. I have shot both and the glock is just a better gun. Tons of aftermarket parts for the glock as well.

9mm ammo is cheeper then 40 if that helps.


I think calling "glock" the AK47 of handguns is an insult to glocks.
 
Yes I have a p226 navy with a surefire x400 I just bought. Best 9mm I have ever owned, and I've had the glock and the S&W. The beretta was really nice as well, and I've had both the 92fs and the M9. The barrel on the M9 was a little better made, other wise both are great. Maybe the M&P I got was something that slipped past quality control, but it was so bad I will never buy another S&W product again.

EVERYONE has lemons slip through...the last sig I shot was a POS...but doesn't mean I let one example speak for all the other millions of Sig guns out there.
 
I actually went to a store and held both the S&W and Glock. I like both of them, and felt comfortable with both of them. I just need one reason to help me decide which one to get. I don't want to get both.
 
The glock is the AK-47 of hand guns. The S&W has the worst reviews out of any hand gun I have ever read about. I have shot both and the glock is just a better gun. Tons of aftermarket parts for the glock as well.

9mm ammo is cheeper then 40 if that helps.

you have no idea what you are talking about m&p 40 great gun have one with 3000 rounds so far and not one malfunction
 
My advice? Start a cheap .22, and get the fundamentals in place without breaking the bank on ammo. Honestly. I bought my first handgun over 20 years ago, and one of the reasons I stopped (apart from legislation), was that I wasn't very good, and I owned a Glock 17, Sig 226 and a Springfield .45 amongst others.

Cut to a few years ago, and a few friends pressured me to get back into the sport. I thought about it a lot, and realized I needed to get the fundamentals down. So I spent $500 on a Ruger Mark III Target (5.5 barrel) and another $50+shipping on parts to improve the trigger. I practiced with that for months.

Once I felt ready for a larger caliber, I researched until I narrowed down the field, then *waited* until I could actually try the guns first. Once I did that, I made my choice(s) and couldn't be happier.

Nothing sucks worse than having a great gun that you cannot shoot well, and the ammo's expensive. Except maybe buying a gun without trying it out first, and being very disappointed.

Between the two you mentioned, the Glock is much cheaper for after-market parts. The S&W has a good reputation, but parts are more expensive and a little harder to find (or at least import).

I strongly recommend you try before you buy. You may be *very* surprised.

-- L
 
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