Pet loads, re-loading data base on CGN

Something in an Excel spreadsheet format, all risks assumed by user, 100% user beware. Cross reference all data where ever possible. A typical data sheet could be made up (I use one of my own design for my reloading data, I'm sure there are better ones around), load weight, components, ballistics, range conditions and temp,firearm details, etc. I think it would prove useful. Have a legal form you have to click on for access, like the software people. - dan
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
What I can't understand for the life of me, is someone come's here, gives everyone grief about the idea, then says they just go use another resource anyways and that this wouldn't work.:confused: They are using the other sites aren't they?Obviously they approve of somebody's idea.
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I'll trust Hogdgon, Alliant, Hornady, et al because they professionally test their loads under laboratory conditions.

I won't trust people who might be among those who complain about "lawyer-proof reloading manuals" or "European loads are hotter I just can't get components" or people who come from the just-fill-the-case-wid-Bullseye-and-don't-be-a-pussy school of reloading. And then there's the newbie who wouldn't know a pressure sign from an astrological sign, thinks Alliant makes motion pictures and believes everything he reads on the Internet is gospel.

The site operators will determine whether a reloading data base open to anyone is a good idea and without liability risk to them. It's up to them but IMO the people who talk about "personal responsibility" the most are every bit as likely to show up with a lawyer if they get a bolt in the eye.
 
The site operators will determine whether a reloading data base open to anyone is a good idea and without liability risk to them. It's up to them but IMO the people who talk about "personal responsibility" the most are every bit as likely to show up with a lawyer if they get a bolt in the eye.
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The site operators have already determined that they won't allow hand loads to be advertised for sale on the EE, and the same reasons that led to that decision, could be a factor in deciding on whether or not to allow a handload data base.
 
You can't sell reloads in the EE, because it's illegal to do so unless you're licensed to manufacture and sell ammunition.
 
You can't sell reloads in the EE, because it's illegal to do so unless you're licensed to manufacture and sell ammunition.
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Good point, I was thinking of the liability issue, not the legal situation.f:P:

Then again, I don't believe that you can advertise hand loads to be given away either on the EE.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
...blah blah blah...SO, the BIG question still remains, who would have to be approached to make the addition to the CGN forum to do this or to see if it was even possible.I know it isn't my site so the idea may hit the gutter before it even gets started.
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Greentips administers and controls CGN. Send him a PM and ask him.
 
Andy said:
You can't sell reloads in the EE, because it's illegal to do so unless you're licensed to manufacture and sell ammunition.
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I see your point but not sure i make the connection. We already share load data on the Reloading forum. This wouldn't be so terribly different.

There is some merit in timoffee's suggestion, but I haven't been too impressed with Reloader's Nest or those other reloading data sharing sites. I really don't know how you could make it better though. The CGN Reloading forum as it is set up now works pretty well. I haven't seen too many people have reloading questions go unanswered.
 
This would be a great reference!

Of course, any person in their right mind would only use it as a reference and check the manufacturers of the bullet and powder for their min and max loads. There are so many references out there, but most are sloppy and incomplete.

I will check all of the internet references and manufactures references and then make my own decisions.

So those that are opposed, you do not have to use it nor do you have to contribute.
 
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While I agree that it might be a useful resource, if I was asked, I'd advise the site operators not to do it. The liability issues are not trivial, and publishing a "buyer/user beware" notice doesn't protect you against suits claiming negligence.

Yes, I know that it would take an incredible ass to sue over a bad load they found on the Internet, but have any of the rest of you noticed any shortage of complete asses in the world?

When a manufacturer publishes a load, they do it knowing that they did due dilligence on testing pressures, velocities, etc. That due dilligence is what protects them from nuisance suits (that and having real live corporate lawyers).

A sufficiently hungry lawyer could turn an incidient into a lawsuit with legs by going after a site that publishes load data when they have no idea whether proper testing was done. Individual users sharing information amongst themselves is one thing, providing an interface and database for promoting those loads is another. Even if the suit ultimately fails, it still costs a lot to fight it (and they'd have to fight it, because the potential damages are so high).

Unless someone can cite case law that protects site operators, I wouldn't even consider setting up a system to encourage people to share loads.
 
Claybuster said:
I'll trust Hogdgon, Alliant, Hornady, et al because they professionally test their loads under laboratory conditions.

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on one hand i agree with what your trying to say , BUT ,

where does a pseron get reloading info for , lets say ;

9.3x62 improved
9.3 wsm
9.3x66
45-120 with modern brass , smokeless powder on a ruger #1
41 colt
or any other oddball hard to find or obsolete cartridge .
 
burnt_servo said:
on one hand i agree with what your trying to say , BUT ,

where does a pseron get reloading info for , lets say ;

9.3x62 improved
9.3 wsm
9.3x66
45-120 with modern brass , smokeless powder on a ruger #1
41 colt
or any other oddball hard to find or obsolete cartridge .
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You could ask a question on the reloading forum, which is how it's done already.
 
burnt_servo said:
on one hand i agree with what your trying to say , BUT ,

where does a pseron get reloading info for , lets say ;

9.3x62 improved
9.3 wsm
9.3x66
45-120 with modern brass , smokeless powder on a ruger #1
41 colt
or any other oddball hard to find or obsolete cartridge .
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The best resource I've found for hard to find or obsolete cartridges is loaddata.com. It's a subscription site operated by Wolfe Publishing, the publishers of Handloader and Rifle magazines. They have listed loads for the last three cartridges you mention.

Wildcat/improved cartridge loading requires some benchmarking and extrapolation based on non-improved versions, similar cartridges, etc. and the ability to recognize pressure signs at the very least. A chrony and a strain gauge would be nice too. I would not load a recommendation made on this or any other open access public webforum without measuring it against established benchmarks from sources in which I have greater confidence.
 
I think its a great idea. Obv. you have to use common sense, compare to published resources and err on the side of caution when working up to a load.
 
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