OK, I'm convinced I NEED a.375H&H but, which one???

sealhunter said:
I heard the RSM's use cast receivers...

Is this true ?
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Sure is, and it's at least as strong if not stronger than its competitors too. Casting is another misunderstood process, as many cast parts are used in Formula 1 and even in space travel. If you can find me a failed Ruger No.1 or M77 receiver I'd love to see it, the actions are at least twice as strong as any barrel you can put on it and would compete for strongest on the market handily.

Ruger is an investment casting specialist and serves many industries outside firearms, including architecture and aviation. Their castings can be welded, machined, and manipulated as a billet part can be due to their precise control of flow, temperature/cooling, and void free casting methods. The process also means you get a receiver made without dimensional compromise, shaped just as the designers wished- not a piece of roundstock.

http://www.ruger.com/casting/index.html
 
crazy_davey said:
Here is a decent article posted by Chuck recently on another forum. Something to think about when buying a rifle in the category you are asking about.

http://www.africahunting.com/content/2-big-game-hunting-rifles-500/
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It's a really good no BS run down on working guns. But in the end if you're after bity-scratchy game regardless of what you have it should be gone over by a gunsmith to ensure proper performance.
 
I've never been on a dangerous game hunt... but I've always thought that CRF might be a problem when something furry decides to eat you. If you unload the mad you can easily drop another round in to the rifle and chamber it, rather than have to put it down in to the mag, or do the old hold the side of the bolt trick.

Just a thought I've had, although if bambi decides to try and eat you its probably pretty unlikely you'll be in a situation where you'll need to reload - good or bad. Personally I've never had any issue with any of my CRF or PF rifles in terms of poor extraction or jammed feeding or anything.
 
jsquig said:
I've never been on a dangerous game hunt... but I've always thought that CRF might be a problem when something furry decides to eat you. If you unload the mad you can easily drop another round in to the rifle and chamber it, rather than have to put it down in to the mag, or do the old hold the side of the bolt trick.

Just a thought I've had, although if bambi decides to try and eat you its probably pretty unlikely you'll be in a situation where you'll need to reload - good or bad. Personally I've never had any issue with any of my CRF or PF rifles in terms of poor extraction or jammed feeding or anything.
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Curious logic that goes against a century of experience in Africa, rarely would any 'issue' with a dangerous game animal allow you to fire more than three shots, even two is considered sufficient by all those PH's with double rifles. You're much safer to have an action guaranteed to give you those shots than being concerned with chamber loading a fifth round after missing four.

As well, I've never owned a CRF rifle that wouldn't let you close the bolt on a round in the chamber without putting it in the mag to feed- it's not that you can't, just that you shouldn't generally. It works just fine, and my newest Mauser is even recommended by the maker as chamber loading OK.
 
sealhunter said:
no CRF would not be a deal breaker for me in NA...
Love the rifle, buy it..
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Which .375 H&H's do you own, and more importantly what have you hunted with them? I think this is an important question when one is giving advice on a subject (yours is understandably opinion, not advice, so I'm not taking a hard line here). I don't mean this in a confrontational way, I just find very frequently a lot of opinion is given with little background in the subject being discussed.

Yes, CRF does matter in a .375. To get technical, the .375 H&H is a long and large case, tiny push feed extractors, just as the article posted from AfricaHunting points out, are very problematic in large cases. Just swell for a .308, not so much for a .375. It's using inferior technology, for no damn good reason, as a CRF action has zero drawbacks.

Why handicap an excellent chambering? It's senseless. .375's a business cartridge, a perfect medium for getting things done on game of any and all sizes on this planet. It deserves a rifle capable of the same.
 
As other posters have stated, I wouldn't get too hung up on the CRF issue. Find a rifle you like, that fits you and enjoy it.
I recently purchased an A-Bolt in 375 H&H, granted I have only fired 30 rounds or so out of it but it has not let me down yet nor do I believe it ever will. I purchased it because it was stainless and I have had luck with Brownings in the past. This year I was finally picked for the NB moose draw and I am planning on using this rifle.
As far as non CRF rifles not having enough bearing surface on the rim of larger cartridges for proper extraction I did a little non scientific sampling and found that the 375 H&H rim is very close if not a match for the rim of a 300 Win Mag. I have a Rem Model 700 on 300 Win Mag that I have had for over 20 years that is reliable as a hammer and that has never failed to feed or eject. I also own 2 CRF rifles in 30/06 and 270 and they have been reliable also.
 
SuperCub said:
I don't see many PHs in this crowd and most here will never use their 375 to fight a big/nasty man eater.

A good push feed like a 700 will be a reliable performer and server well the needs of 95% of the guys on this thread as would the same PF in 30/06. CRF with proper loads is good, but PF will work just as well with those same proper loads.

If you find a good deal on a Remington or Savage and you like the rifle, you won't be dissapointed.

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But why buy a PF when you can have a new CRF in arguably one of the best hunting rifles in history for a few hundred more?
 
The advantage of CRF is not only one of more secure extraction. A large extractor may not be as important with modern cartridges as it once was. As I understand it, modern poweders do not tend to be as sensitive to ambient temperatures as older powders were, hence the issue of high pressures and sticky cases in hot climates may not be as important as it used to be. However, I personally will err on the side of caution. What may be more important with a CRF action is that it is much harder to double feed and jam it. Some people say they don't care about this if they're not hunting dangerous game. But consider this, if you've waited 20 years for a moose tag, or have the elk or deer of a lifetime in your sights, wouldn't you feel better knowing that even with all of the adrealine coursing through your veins it will be next to impossible for you to mess up a reload if you need one.

All potential problems are only theoretical, until they happen.
 
philthygeezer said:
But why buy a PF when you can have a new CRF in arguably one of the best hunting rifles in history for a few hundred more?
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I'm not knocking CRF. It's a very good system. There are millions of CRF (and PF) sporting rifles out there that work very well indeed. I'm not knocking either system, in fact would concede that the CRF is probably the better of the two. If I was headed to Africa to hunt big nasty stuff or was a PH looking after the life of a bumbling nimrod, I would very much insist on a proper CRF and would know how to use it.

OTOH .... Here in NA, for the most part, it's not such a big deal for me (and a lot of others) whether my 375 is a PF or CRF. To argue otherwise is silly.


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I would rather have a CRF simply because I prefer the way they work. I have 2 PF bolt actions and they are okay, but the more I use rifles the more I think that PF should be relegated to the range only! :)
 
I own and have owned several PF bolt guns. I owned but one english CRF and hated it compared to the slickness of the PF.

These were used for Deer/Moose Rifles only though....

..... Game that usually run the other way when hit, and not try to inflict as much pain as possible on their tormentors.

The .375, in my mind,was and is primarily a Dangerous Game Cartridge and the Rifle should reflect this. As such, even though my use might be mainly Large Deer family game here in NA, I wouldn't hamstring the Rifle, for lack of a better term, by taking away the action feed type that best suits Dangerous Game pursuits.



If I were to buy a .375, I would want it to have the features which make it a complete Dangerous game Rifle, in particular the CRF. It does allow feeding from all positions I understand, even on your back or upside down with the giant Bear or Lion rolling you for it's vengeance.


Don't put Low profile car sport tires on ay 4X4 truck(what's up with that today, anyhow), don't put BFG Mud Terrains on a Camaro SS, and don't put push feed on a .375 Dangerous Game Rifle!
Any .375 H&H with CRF, is complete as far as design is concerned, for its intended primary purpose.

Various manufacturers have their own reliability/accuracy issues i'm sure, so I'd listen to those on the board who shoot different offerings, and have real world experience. My post is merely to endorse CRF on a .375H&H .

So X3 with Ardent and Gatehouse.
 
ARDENT why is bypassing the magazine to chamber a round a bad thing with mauser action.I often did this while walking into bear baits,when using 300wm to get that extra round if needed.
 
NB444 said:
As other posters have stated, I wouldn't get too hung up on the CRF issue. Find a rifle you like, that fits you and enjoy it.
I recently purchased an A-Bolt in 375 H&H, granted I have only fired 30 rounds or so out of it but it has not let me down yet nor do I believe it ever will. I purchased it because it was stainless and I have had luck with Brownings in the past. This year I was finally picked for the NB moose draw and I am planning on using this rifle.
As far as non CRF rifles not having enough bearing surface on the rim of larger cartridges for proper extraction I did a little non scientific sampling and found that the 375 H&H rim is very close if not a match for the rim of a 300 Win Mag. I have a Rem Model 700 on 300 Win Mag that I have had for over 20 years that is reliable as a hammer and that has never failed to feed or eject. I also own 2 CRF rifles in 30/06 and 270 and they have been reliable also.
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Ever stood your .375 case beside your .300 Win Mag case? Case head size isn't the issue, it's case size overall. It's certainly not the case head that grips the chamber walls when the case is fired. Which case has more brass in it? :) Yes, we're all saying push feed works, even those of us who don't like it, but nobody would argue push feed is a better system in a hunting rifle. What most of us are saying is why not choose the better action, when realistically, it's the same cost. An M70 CRF costs no more than your Browning, and has a better action, that's our argument.

hamhock said:
ARDENT why is bypassing the magazine to chamber a round a bad thing with mauser action.I often did this while walking into bear baits,when using 300wm to get that extra round if needed.
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Indeed, I've done it plenty too. The concern is it flexes the extractor excessively, but as you've pointed out, it works just fine, the poster I was replying to was under the impression you can't single feed in a Mauser. You can, no doubt, but I attempt avoid it even if I don't need to.
 
Ardent said:
Ever stood your .375 case beside your .300 Win Mag case? Case head size isn't the issue, it's case size overall. It's certainly not the case head that grips the chamber walls when the case is fired. Which case has more brass in it? :) Yes, we're all saying push feed works, even those of us who don't like it, but nobody would argue push feed is a better system in a hunting rifle. What most of us are saying is why not choose the better action, when realistically, it's the same cost. An M70 CRF costs no more than your Browning, and has a better action, that's our argument.

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Again as stated previously having owned both systems I do not feel disadvantaged by the Brownings push feed system. I have had good luck with both systems and believe that they both have merits.
A rifle is more than just the action, I like that this particular Browning I have is stainless steel, I like the short bolt lift that lets me mount my scope low, I like the fit of the stock on me and I like the position of the safety. In my hands it feel right. The combination of these very personal preferences steered me towards this rifle, I can live with the fact that it is not CRF and shall take great pleasure in taking game with an obviously substandard weapon. ;)
 
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