Shooting 17m2 ammo out of a 17hmr barrel?
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unstableryan
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It's not the same, please don't try it. shorts, longs and long rifles fit the same chamber, the 17's are necked and the little one fired in the big chamber will just come apart and maybe stick in the barrel if the cse doesn't blow out somehow. It's just a bad sounding idea, hold both of them side by side, then a .22 short and long rifle side by side and take a look for a few minutes.
Shooting a 22short in a 22long rifle, isn't remotely close to shooting a 17mach2 cartridge in a 17HMR chamber. To start with, the 22s are straight walled cases, while the 17s are bottlenecked cases. Secondly, with the 22s the case diameter is the same, with the 17s, the case diameters are different.
I've shot .22LR out of a .22 Mag chamber, and it works, sort of.
The problem with shooting the M2 version in the HMR chamber would be:
Does the case seal the chamber with the bullet far enough up the throat that it'll be propelled out of the barrel by the combustion gasses?
What you're asking is a lot like "Can I shoot .260 Rem cartridges in a 6.5-'06 chamber?"
What I think you are thinking is a lot closer to "Can I shoot .25-'06 shells in my.30-'06?"
The problem with shooting the M2 version in the HMR chamber would be:
Does the case seal the chamber with the bullet far enough up the throat that it'll be propelled out of the barrel by the combustion gasses?
What you're asking is a lot like "Can I shoot .260 Rem cartridges in a 6.5-'06 chamber?"
What I think you are thinking is a lot closer to "Can I shoot .25-'06 shells in my.30-'06?"
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try er out.... then u can send me ur rifle when u cant shoot cuz u lost ur eye :/
Actually, that would be much safer than 17M2 from a 17HMR chamber as the case diameters are different as has been pointed out. The 25-06 and the 30-06 have the same case and it would still seal the chamber. A 17M2 case could rupture anywhere as it would be completely unsupported.
"Data Stamp" Read it. Respect it. Don't deviate from it. I hate this topic when/if it's hypothetical, let alone...when someone is actually contemplating trying it. If it plants even a seed of curiosity in even one person's mind, it could cost them their lives. "gee....I wonder if I can fire a .223 in my .22-250?" 
I'm not one for censorship, but I sort of wish the mods here would discourage topics like this.
I'm not one for censorship, but I sort of wish the mods here would discourage topics like this.
"Data Stamp" Read it. Respect it. Don't deviate from it. I hate this topic when/if it's hypothetical, let alone...when someone is actually contemplating trying it. If it plants even a seed of curiosity in even one person's mind, it could cost them their lives. "gee....I wonder if I can fire a .223 in my .22-250?"
I'm not one for censorship, but I sort of wish the mods here would discourage topics like this.
It's a valid question, and as the guy has never had a rifle is the calibres and has likely never held the ammo side by side, you can see where the thought comes from.
What would likely happen, is the case would rupture, and the bullet would get jammed into the bore, which depending on how it it hit, might cause the bullet to go in, or possibly (but not likely) even exit the barrel through the muzzle. Most likely is would hit the bore ####-eyed, sealing that avenue for the gas to escape, meaning it's coming back towards the shooter and the bolt. The only thing that would likely save the hands and eyes of the shooter, would be if the cartridge did not have the pressure to blow the bolt out. Overall, unless you had the gun in a tire with a string on the trigger, and it was a gun you wanted to destroy anyway, it's a recipe for a pretty bad day.
YA, data stamp...
So can I shoot 7x57 Mauser out of my .275 Rigby?
Can I shoot .280 Remington in my 7mm Express?
And those are just off the top of my head (and the answers are "yes" to both)
And where would one find .30 PPC cartridges? Or even .222 Remington Magnum cartridges? Easy as pie to make, but it points-out the the "Data stamp" is just a guideline.
People are going to experiment, get over it.
I've "blown-up" a couple of guns, even the same one 3 times, it's not that big a deal.
Sometimes you should tie your gun to a bench and fire it with a string from behind cover... and sometimes you should just wear gloves and really good eye protection...
And people come here to find out which.
And to make your experiment work, first have a solid rod that fits down the full length of your barrel, then wrap the .223 case with tape, so that you need to slightly force the bolt closed, this will ensure good contact with the bolt face.
This will be one of those "fire it with a string" type events. Nothing on the gun will explode, but an awful lot of the combustion gasses will be coming back through the bolt raceway, it'll be acting like a ruptured case.
And you'll need the solid rod to knock the bullet out of the barrel because there probably won't be sufficent pressure to blow it out the muzzle. (some of the powder gas will escape up the barrel before the bullet seals the bore, the rest will escape out the back).
As always, post pix or video.
Or if you send me the gun, I'll do it. (I'd even supply the .223 round and remove the bullet if required).
Or if we used 222 RemMag, and I carefully wrap it in aluminum foil, that should prevent the case fom rupturing, and it's long enough to seal to the neck, it should work, and might even be repeatable.
So can I shoot 7x57 Mauser out of my .275 Rigby?
Can I shoot .280 Remington in my 7mm Express?
And those are just off the top of my head (and the answers are "yes" to both)
And where would one find .30 PPC cartridges? Or even .222 Remington Magnum cartridges? Easy as pie to make, but it points-out the the "Data stamp" is just a guideline.
People are going to experiment, get over it.
I've "blown-up" a couple of guns, even the same one 3 times, it's not that big a deal.
Sometimes you should tie your gun to a bench and fire it with a string from behind cover... and sometimes you should just wear gloves and really good eye protection...
And people come here to find out which.
And to make your experiment work, first have a solid rod that fits down the full length of your barrel, then wrap the .223 case with tape, so that you need to slightly force the bolt closed, this will ensure good contact with the bolt face.
This will be one of those "fire it with a string" type events. Nothing on the gun will explode, but an awful lot of the combustion gasses will be coming back through the bolt raceway, it'll be acting like a ruptured case.
And you'll need the solid rod to knock the bullet out of the barrel because there probably won't be sufficent pressure to blow it out the muzzle. (some of the powder gas will escape up the barrel before the bullet seals the bore, the rest will escape out the back).
As always, post pix or video.
Or if you send me the gun, I'll do it. (I'd even supply the .223 round and remove the bullet if required).
Or if we used 222 RemMag, and I carefully wrap it in aluminum foil, that should prevent the case fom rupturing, and it's long enough to seal to the neck, it should work, and might even be repeatable.
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All a competent gun owner has to do is read the stampings on the barrel....if the gun was able to handle other ammo than it was produced to do, then it would be plainly stamped. Sure some can be fired with different ammo but is it really safe? .22 cal. is a whole different story on its own.
Well, that's a pretty lame way to justify (endorse?) using a firearm in a way it wasn't intended. At least, in my opinion it is. Asking "Is 17 Mach2 the same as 17 HMR?" is definitely a fair question. Asking whether or not messing with ammunition OTHER than what the gun is intended is safe~I'd say no, and I doubt the vast majority of shooters on CGN would disagree.
Regardless, it's not my eyes/face on the line...so tinker at your own risk. Data stamps on the barrel exist for a reason and I remain puzzled as to why people feel the need to take unnecessary risks.
p210sig~sorry if I've thrown this thread off-topic a little, better to ask than not to. When in doubt, remember you're responsible for your own safety and web forum expertise won't help you grow new eyes. When in doubt, don't deviate from what the data stamp on the barrel says. Good luck, and shoot safe.
Hahahahahahahaaaaaaa.... I love these threads. If I had been the OP i'd google it first before putting my (user)name to a question like that in a place like this.
Common sense says no. you cant put a short bottlenecked round in a long chamber that it wasn't designed for. Thats like asking if it's ok to load a 7mm-08 into a 7mm rem mag. think of all the empty space in front of the bullet in the chamber...
Common sense says no. you cant put a short bottlenecked round in a long chamber that it wasn't designed for. Thats like asking if it's ok to load a 7mm-08 into a 7mm rem mag. think of all the empty space in front of the bullet in the chamber...
I'm actually happy the guy asked before trying it...
Really, there are a few exceptions to any rule...somewhere I have a "compatible" list...
I have a .32 special...there are a few things that can be fired from it. From a "safety" perspective, no problems. I may not hit the zombie with a 30-30 rd departing a bore too big or, afford (help needed) the "black powder" version (32-40??). I would be safe though...
There was a thread about .308's being sent out of 30-06 chambers (will look through my "subscribed list" for it)
The bottom line is, a rifle's chambering is stamped on the rifle for a very good reason. There are some exceptions that will safely work but, unless you either: A) google /ask on a forum or, B) Just try it (and, lose an eye/hand/gun) you won't know.
OP, good thing you inquired instead of trying as, even the "low" pressure rimfires can provide a terrible surprise!
Really, there are a few exceptions to any rule...somewhere I have a "compatible" list...
I have a .32 special...there are a few things that can be fired from it. From a "safety" perspective, no problems. I may not hit the zombie with a 30-30 rd departing a bore too big or, afford (help needed) the "black powder" version (32-40??). I would be safe though...
There was a thread about .308's being sent out of 30-06 chambers (will look through my "subscribed list" for it)
The bottom line is, a rifle's chambering is stamped on the rifle for a very good reason. There are some exceptions that will safely work but, unless you either: A) google /ask on a forum or, B) Just try it (and, lose an eye/hand/gun) you won't know.
OP, good thing you inquired instead of trying as, even the "low" pressure rimfires can provide a terrible surprise!
