It is highly doubtful that anyone in Canada will have one of these. It would be a custom build since the US State Department won't allow export because you can convert them to a 50 BMG with just a barrel change. Why build that when offers little over the 408 Cheytac in terms of ballistics, requires converting more expensive 50 BMG brass and the use of 50 BMG primers vs. Large Magnum primers? Those, in addition to requiring a much heavier rifle. If you want one, you will likely have to provide the reamer yourself to a custom builder.
The best advice given was to spend some time in front of a quality ballistics calculator (JBM) and analyze both rounds using some reliable ballistic coefficients and known velocities. Frankly, that's usually more useful than the "real life" experience you get on the internet, which often consists of little more than endorsements like: "I love mine!", "it shoots great!"...
A few months back there was a post on here from a dealer I believe saying he was bringing in mcmillan rifles like the TAC 50 but chambered in 416. so there must be people in canada that have them. I know of three being built as we speak.
Why convert 50bmg brass when you can just buy 416 barret brass? It made by barett and IMI and is available in canada through wolverine supplies, also the bullets are about 1/4 the price as 50cal
I like big heavy guns or I would now own 50bmg's
Ballistics calculator??? see the beginning of the thread were I posted data that I produced with my ballistic calculator comparing two different 416 rounds and two different 50bmg rounds
I think owning and shooting the gun would be real life experience???? That’s why I’m going to get one, also the fact that not very many other people have one.
I like the fact that you could own a McMillan rifle in a big caliber. They make some nice stuff. I was under the impression a while back that because the shell base was 50cal it wasn't allowed into Canada but leave it to the importers like Wolverine and Alberta Tactical, as well as others I'm sure, to work day and night with paperwork in order to provide us with new stuff. I love it!!!
I think a question you need to ask is not the ballistic performance of a certain caliber, but rather what do you want to do with the rifle. If you are punching paper at 1000m, all the calibers will do just fine. Build you load and go shooting. The problem is some people get wrapped around certain details or specifics that are military problems for example because the bullet has to do something once it gets to the target. For us target shooters, the energy required to cut paper is some what reduced.
I say this because I know a couple of people that have the latest and greatest with all the bits and pieces and seldom if ever shoot beyond 1000m. They spend a small fortune on components, and spend a signficant time admiring them but not actually shooting.
No suggesting you fall into this case but a "needs analysis" might be in order here to ensure you weight the pros and cons against the end state of what you need. For most CGNs, finding a good shooting area out 2Km is unobtainium. I have a buddy who was all over a 50 cal but realized that a 338 Lapua was more realistic given the reality of his shooting situation. He shoots more often and regularly and consequently has become a better shooter, compared to the expeditions he needed to mount to go to a place to shoot 2km.
Heck if you just want to be the only kid in town with a 416....go for it. It has potential just like the other calibers mentioned. Just suggesting that you might want to examine your realities, then reflect on which caliber will support you better. That way you are happier and shoot more...
I hope that helps a bit. Alberta Tactical is giving you good ballistics lessons on the calibers! Trust the man and heed his advice.
First Caliber is the 375/408 using the 350gr copper/nickel projectiles.
Trajectory Output
some comparisons for you:
Input Data
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.120 G1 Bullet Weight: 350.00 gr
Caliber: 0.375 in
Muzzle Velocity: 3140.0 ft/s Chronograph Distance: 10.0 ft
Sight Height: 2.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Azimuth: 0.00 MOA Elevation: 0.00 MOA
LOS Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 20.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 10.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg
Temperature: 60.0 �F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Relative Humidity: 0.0 % Altitude: 0 ft
Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No
Corrected Pressure: Yes Target Relative Drops: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No
Calculated Parameters
Elevation: 4.10 MOA Azimuth: 0.00 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07632 lbs/ft� Speed of Sound: 1117.6 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 418 yds Maximum PBR Zero: 355 yds
Range at Max Height: 199 yds Energy at PBR: 5995.8 ft�lbs
Sectional Density: 0.356 lbs/in�
Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yds) (in) (moa) (in) (moa) (ft/s) (none) (ft�lbs) (s) (in) (moa)
0 -2.5 *** 0.0 *** 3143.0 2.812 7676.0 0.000 0.0 ***
200 -1.2 -0.6 2.0 1.0 2964.4 2.653 6828.2 0.197 34.6 16.5
400 -15.8 -3.8 8.2 2.0 2792.9 2.499 6061.2 0.405 71.3 17.0
600 -48.2 -7.7 19.0 3.0 2628.0 2.352 5366.4 0.627 110.3 17.6
800 -100.8 -12.0 34.7 4.1 2469.0 2.209 4736.7 0.862 151.7 18.1
1000 -176.2 -16.8 55.8 5.3 2315.6 2.072 4166.3 1.113 195.9 18.7
1200 -277.6 -22.1 82.9 6.6 2167.6 1.940 3650.8 1.381 243.0 19.3
1400 -408.6 -27.9 116.5 7.9 2025.1 1.812 3186.5 1.667 293.5 20.0
1600 -573.6 -34.2 157.4 9.4 1888.3 1.690 2770.7 1.974 347.5 20.7
1800 -777.7 -41.3 206.2 10.9 1757.8 1.573 2401.0 2.304 405.5 21.5
2000 -1026.9 -49.0 263.7 12.6 1634.2 1.462 2075.2 2.658 467.8 22.3
2200 -1328.3 -57.7 330.7 14.4 1518.4 1.359 1791.5 3.039 534.9 23.2
2400 -1690.2 -67.3 408.0 16.2 1411.4 1.263 1547.8 3.450 607.2 24.2
2600 -2122.3 -77.9 496.3 18.2 1314.4 1.176 1342.3 3.891 684.9 25.2
2800 -2635.2 -89.9 595.8 20.3 1228.7 1.099 1173.1 4.365 768.3 26.2
3000 -3240.8 -103.2 706.6 22.5 1155.8 1.034 1037.9 4.871 857.3 27.3
Second Caliber is the 408 Cheytac using the 419gr copper/nickel projectiles
Trajectory Output
Input Data
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.964 G1 Bullet Weight: 419.00 gr
Caliber: 0.408 in
Muzzle Velocity: 2850.0 ft/s Chronograph Distance: 10.0 ft
Sight Height: 2.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Azimuth: 0.00 MOA Elevation: 0.00 MOA
LOS Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 20.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 10.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg
Temperature: 60.0 �F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Relative Humidity: 0.0 % Altitude: 0 ft
Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No
Corrected Pressure: Yes Target Relative Drops: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No
Calculated Parameters
Elevation: 4.47 MOA Azimuth: 0.00 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07632 lbs/ft� Speed of Sound: 1117.6 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 378 yds Maximum PBR Zero: 321 yds
Range at Max Height: 180 yds Energy at PBR: 5786.4 ft�lbs
Sectional Density: 0.360 lbs/in�
Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yds) (in) (moa) (in) (moa) (ft/s) (none) (ft�lbs) (s) (in) (moa)
0 -2.5 *** 0.0 *** 2853.3 2.553 7573.1 0.000 0.0 ***
200 -2.1 -1.0 2.7 1.3 2659.6 2.380 6579.8 0.218 38.3 18.3
400 -21.3 -5.1 11.0 2.6 2474.1 2.214 5693.8 0.452 79.5 19.0
600 -63.4 -10.1 25.6 4.1 2296.1 2.055 4904.1 0.703 123.8 19.7
800 -131.8 -15.7 47.2 5.6 2125.4 1.902 4202.1 0.975 171.6 20.5
1000 -231.1 -22.1 76.6 7.3 1962.2 1.756 3581.6 1.269 223.3 21.3
1200 -366.6 -29.2 114.7 9.1 1807.1 1.617 3037.6 1.588 279.4 22.2
1400 -544.8 -37.2 162.7 11.1 1660.9 1.486 2565.9 1.934 340.4 23.2
1600 -773.6 -46.2 221.5 13.2 1524.8 1.364 2162.8 2.312 406.8 24.3
1800 -1062.4 -56.4 292.2 15.5 1400.6 1.253 1824.7 2.723 479.2 25.4
2000 -1422.3 -67.9 375.6 17.9 1290.0 1.154 1548.0 3.170 557.9 26.6
2200 -1866.1 -81.0 472.2 20.5 1195.2 1.070 1328.9 3.654 643.2 27.9
2400 -2407.7 -95.8 581.6 23.1 1118.0 1.000 1162.8 4.176 734.9 29.2
2600 -3061.2 -112.4 702.8 25.8 1057.4 0.946 1040.0 4.730 832.5 30.6
2800 -3840.3 -131.0 834.6 28.5 1009.3 0.903 947.6 5.315 935.5 31.9
3000 -4757.6 -151.4 976.0 31.1 969.9 0.868 875.0 5.927 1043.1 33.2
Third caliber is the 416 Barrett using the 400gr solid projectiles
Trajectory Output
Input Data
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.985 G1 Bullet Weight: 400.00 gr
Caliber: 0.416 in
Muzzle Velocity: 3250.0 ft/s Chronograph Distance: 10.0 ft
Sight Height: 2.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Azimuth: 0.00 MOA Elevation: 0.00 MOA
LOS Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 20.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 10.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg
Temperature: 60.0 �F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Relative Humidity: 0.0 % Altitude: 0 ft
Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No
Corrected Pressure: Yes Target Relative Drops: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No
Calculated Parameters
Elevation: 3.99 MOA Azimuth: 0.00 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07632 lbs/ft� Speed of Sound: 1117.6 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 429 yds Maximum PBR Zero: 364 yds
Range at Max Height: 204 yds Energy at PBR: 7060.5 ft�lbs
Sectional Density: 0.330 lbs/in�
Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yds) (in) (moa) (in) (moa) (ft/s) (none) (ft�lbs) (s) (in) (moa)
0 -2.5 *** 0.0 *** 3253.5 2.911 9400.3 0.000 0.0 ***
200 -1.0 -0.5 2.2 1.0 3045.8 2.725 8238.0 0.191 33.5 16.0
400 -14.5 -3.5 9.0 2.1 2847.7 2.548 7201.3 0.394 69.4 16.6
600 -45.2 -7.2 20.8 3.3 2658.3 2.379 6275.3 0.612 107.8 17.2
800 -95.6 -11.4 38.2 4.6 2476.7 2.216 5447.3 0.846 148.9 17.8
1000 -168.7 -16.1 61.8 5.9 2302.4 2.060 4707.5 1.098 193.2 18.4
1200 -268.1 -21.3 92.1 7.3 2135.1 1.910 4048.1 1.368 240.8 19.2
1400 -398.0 -27.2 130.1 8.9 1974.9 1.767 3463.4 1.660 292.2 19.9
1600 -563.7 -33.6 176.6 10.5 1822.3 1.631 2949.1 1.977 347.9 20.8
1800 -771.4 -40.9 232.5 12.3 1678.2 1.502 2501.1 2.320 408.4 21.7
2000 -1028.7 -49.1 298.9 14.3 1543.8 1.381 2116.3 2.693 474.0 22.6
2200 -1344.4 -58.4 376.8 16.4 1420.3 1.271 1791.4 3.099 545.4 23.7
2400 -1729.4 -68.8 467.1 18.6 1309.6 1.172 1523.1 3.540 623.0 24.8
2600 -2195.8 -80.6 570.2 20.9 1213.7 1.086 1308.1 4.017 707.0 26.0
2800 -2757.2 -94.0 686.0 23.4 1134.4 1.015 1142.8 4.531 797.4 27.2
3000 -3427.3 -109.1 813.7 25.9 1071.5 0.959 1019.6 5.078 893.7 28.4
Just to keep everyone up to date. North American Shooting Systems intended to bring the .416 Barrett to Canada however McMillan never did get the TAC-416 into production. We tried our best to get them to do it but it never happened. We managed to get both the Canadian Firearms Centre and Foreign Affairs to approve importation into Canada and the Americans iissued an export permit but McMillan lost interest in the project. Too bad as I think it would have been a great rifle.
Regards
Aubrey
Just to keep everyone up to date. North American Shooting Systems intended to bring the .416 Barrett to Canada however McMillan never did get the TAC-416 into production. We tried our best to get them to do it but it never happened. We managed to get both the Canadian Firearms Centre and Foreign Affairs to approve importation into Canada and the Americans iissued an export permit but McMillan lost interest in the project. Too bad as I think it would have been a great rifle.
Regards
Aubrey
I think a question you need to ask is not the ballistic performance of a certain caliber, but rather what do you want to do with the rifle. If you are punching paper at 1000m, all the calibers will do just fine. Build you load and go shooting. The problem is some people get wrapped around certain details or specifics that are military problems for example because the bullet has to do something once it gets to the target. For us target shooters, the energy required to cut paper is some what reduced.
I say this because I know a couple of people that have the latest and greatest with all the bits and pieces and seldom if ever shoot beyond 1000m. They spend a small fortune on components, and spend a signficant time admiring them but not actually shooting.
No suggesting you fall into this case but a "needs analysis" might be in order here to ensure you weight the pros and cons against the end state of what you need. For most CGNs, finding a good shooting area out 2Km is unobtainium. I have a buddy who was all over a 50 cal but realized that a 338 Lapua was more realistic given the reality of his shooting situation. He shoots more often and regularly and consequently has become a better shooter, compared to the expeditions he needed to mount to go to a place to shoot 2km.
Heck if you just want to be the only kid in town with a 416....go for it. It has potential just like the other calibers mentioned. Just suggesting that you might want to examine your realities, then reflect on which caliber will support you better. That way you are happier and shoot more...
I hope that helps a bit. Alberta Tactical is giving you good ballistics lessons on the calibers! Trust the man and heed his advice.