Beware of a "Gunsmith" you don't know

He seems to have screwed up, and the real test is how he responds.

Just saying....

Just an update. Savage declared the rifle unsafe. As Andy said though the real test is how he responds. I thought he was a stand up kinda guy and it looks like he is. He agreed to replace it as quickly as he could. Since he said right up front he'd make it right I told him to find the best deal he could even if it takes a few weeks more. Hopefully he finds a good used long action fast that won't cost too much. That's assuming he can't get a new Stevens cheaper.
 
Mick McPhee (barrel maker and Smith) feels so strongly about this very point that he won't sell his barrels unless he does the install to make sure it is done right. Everyone want' to blame the barrel, not their work.

Is this something new Mick started in the last few years???

I acquired one of Mick's barrels through a friend who is a well known local shooter, and had the Late Ron March install and chamber it.

Ron did an excellent job on my build (which was one of his last builds) and the rifle has been a consistent"tack driver".......... :D
 
So just what does a person need to be able to open shop as a Gunsmith in Canada?
A work bench, some tools and a few magazines? One of those courses we see advertised on a match card ?
Is there any trade school that has a Gunsmith program?
A craft with such a possible danger from poor workmanship should be a recognised trade with interprovincial status.
Some formal teaching is not a bad thing.

That would work well in a world where the whole gun industry was not the poor second cousin, essentially unwanted. IIRC the CFO's want some proof of formal training to issue a license, but apparently that includes the mail order education off a matchbook cover (Remember those?) or similar. Not useful.

There is only one school that offers any formal training in the way of a program, in Canada. If you don't speak fluent French, you are SOL. Unless you travel to the US, where you will be out of pocket for your cost of living as well as your training for the time you spend there, you are out of luck. As a low margin, not reliable income, kind of job, gunsmithing does not exactly attract a stream of folks willing to run up huge student loans to get in the door.

And all that gets you is paper, not workmanship. Paper on the wall says you should know better, not that you will act accordingly.

Trying to drag the government in to deal with accreditation, is a fools game at this point. There are no sources for the training, and no sources for the apprenticeships that would be required to pull it off.

Back to the original story... With all this talk of Heat, Hardness and Temper, has anyone actually hardness tested the action? THAT is the final arbiter of whether the action was damaged by heat (beyond the physical damage from too much torch, like scaling and pits), not just that heat was used to remove it.

Cheers
Trev
 
To be honest I can't say. The Savage repair form states "gun was heated and damaged beyond repair". I don't know if they looked at the color of the heated area and extrapolated or if they actually tested the hardness of the barrel and action. I just know that I'm not going to have my face near that action touching off a reload that's near or at the limit of good judgment.:D
 
What do you expect them to say? If they said all is well and it comes apart they could be libel. They do not know exactly what happened to it other than the story from the guy that buggered it. If you came to my shop I can tell you that my answer would be the same!
 
What do you expect them to say? If they said all is well and it comes apart they could be libel. They do not know exactly what happened to it other than the story from the guy that buggered it. If you came to my shop I can tell you that my answer would be the same!

I expected exactly that. When I got to his shop with my wrench I could see he'd put some heat to it. Asking him to do it again was to get an idea of how much. I'm not sure he really knows how much heat he put to the nut. When I talked to him yesterday he talked about straw which according to my reference is about 400 F. I saw at best dull red or 1200 F in spots. To be honest I was hoping they would state it had been damaged and unrepairable
as I would have never felt safe with that action. When I dropped it off he had what appeared to be a well equiped shop. I never dreamed he'd put an oxy/propane torch to it. I figured IF there was thread locking compoud he'd put a heat gun to it not cook the thing.


Lesson learned.

Nice stocks by the way. I've been meaning to check out your web site.
 
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