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DITTO... but I would add a piece of ratt snot at number 6...
Oh, and I would reverse 1 and 2
cz858 or tapco'd sks?
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DITTO... but I would add a piece of ratt snot at number 6...
Oh, and I would reverse 1 and 2
fat tony
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I don't know where people get the idea that a tapco stock is better than an original stock for an sks.
for one thing, the tapco / choate / whatever style stocks don't have cross bolts, and for another thing, as far as I can tell none of them are fibreglass, they are polymer, which seems dumb to have with the huge magazine well / trigger group area the sks has in the stock cut out.
I don't get how someone would think that putting a tapco stock on their sks is going to make it better in a (?) 3 gun match. back in 1950, there were no tapco style stocks being contemplated for the SKS - right? Or is someone going to come back to me and say that records from that era are spotty at best?
I would have kept my 858 but as I shot my sks more, I decided she had to go.
for one thing, the tapco / choate / whatever style stocks don't have cross bolts, and for another thing, as far as I can tell none of them are fibreglass, they are polymer, which seems dumb to have with the huge magazine well / trigger group area the sks has in the stock cut out.
I don't get how someone would think that putting a tapco stock on their sks is going to make it better in a (?) 3 gun match. back in 1950, there were no tapco style stocks being contemplated for the SKS - right? Or is someone going to come back to me and say that records from that era are spotty at best?
I would have kept my 858 but as I shot my sks more, I decided she had to go.
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Just to confirm?
So you sold your 858 and kept the SKS because you enjoyed it more, I am not trying to be critical I just find it interesting, I love my sks and it is a great shooter the way it is, it just seems like the price aside most would choose a 858.
I don't know where people get the idea that a tapco stock is better than an original stock for an sks.
for one thing, the tapco / choate / whatever style stocks don't have cross bolts, and for another thing, as far as I can tell none of them are fibreglass, they are polymer, which seems dumb to have with the huge magazine well / trigger group area the sks has in the stock cut out.
I don't get how someone would think that putting a tapco stock on their sks is going to make it better in a (?) 3 gun match. back in 1950, there were no tapco style stocks being contemplated for the SKS - right? Or is someone going to come back to me and say that records from that era are spotty at best?
I would have kept my 858 but as I shot my sks more, I decided she had to go.
So you sold your 858 and kept the SKS because you enjoyed it more, I am not trying to be critical I just find it interesting, I love my sks and it is a great shooter the way it is, it just seems like the price aside most would choose a 858.
fat tony
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Well, at the time I needed the $, and the fact that I had a Russian refurb and shot it and worked with it for quite a while made the choice easy. I got a trigger job,did a bedding job (with gasket paper), got a new front sight (techsights), tried a new techsights 200 rear sight, sold the rearsight and went back to the rear leaf sight (better imo), and did a gas tube modification on a tapco gas cylinder to reduce the velocity of the bolt / carrier and to prevent my empties from being tossed 30 yards (tried it summer/winter), & just two crates of surplus ammo so far and about 300 rounds of PP softpoints, which I find hotter and far more accurate. A bit of an investment of time and some $ in her you see.
I liked the 858, but could not justify keeping it around. I did get a look at one of those CZ shorty 5.56 mm versions. I really liked it, they feel really substantial.
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Wow let's start a vote on that. Did you ever see what kind of abuse AK can take and still work. Can someone post pictures or video. PLEASE
I would tend to agree with the superiority of the VZ, for lots of reasons.
1) even with the machined receiver, they're lighter
2) typically more accurate, although the inaccuracy of the AK series is often overstated
3) vastly superior controls - the AK safety is a ####ing pain
4) the AK has a less reliable ejection cycle in my opinion...in fact the reliability of the AK is as overstated as its accuracy is understated
5) since they are built by a million different third world countries to a million different specs, it can be hard to fix them when they go down. Albanian parts don't fit Hungarian parts don't fit Chinese parts etc etc etc...the VZ is built to a single, good, spec.
I think people like the AK because of movies. It's a pretty good rifle, but the reason it's popular in third world armies is not just because it's sturdy and reliable, although it is, but because it's cheap to make and anybody with simple manufacturing industries can do it. It's not because it's the greatest rifle on the planet.
I would take a VZ over an AK, personally.
1) even with the machined receiver, they're lighter
2) typically more accurate, although the inaccuracy of the AK series is often overstated
3) vastly superior controls - the AK safety is a ####ing pain
4) the AK has a less reliable ejection cycle in my opinion...in fact the reliability of the AK is as overstated as its accuracy is understated
5) since they are built by a million different third world countries to a million different specs, it can be hard to fix them when they go down. Albanian parts don't fit Hungarian parts don't fit Chinese parts etc etc etc...the VZ is built to a single, good, spec.
I think people like the AK because of movies. It's a pretty good rifle, but the reason it's popular in third world armies is not just because it's sturdy and reliable, although it is, but because it's cheap to make and anybody with simple manufacturing industries can do it. It's not because it's the greatest rifle on the planet.
I would take a VZ over an AK, personally.
Well trying to avoid talking about AKs, Liberals, confiscation, possible reclassification and such.
The SKS is a good rifle, the CZ is a better rifle. All in all, it really boils down to this: Get whichever one you want, do what you want to it and enjoy it.
I own an SKS with the "crappy" tapco stock on it. I enjoy it, but honestly, I would take an 858 over it if given the choice. At some point, I'll buy an 858, what I do with my SKS at that time will be my decision. I might keep it and use it with the tapco stock, I might use the original stock it came with, or perhaps I'll sell it. I won't see it as a waste of time or money because as I said before I enjoy my SKS as it is right now. Much like many current 858 owners enjoyed their SKS before upgrading to an 858.
Why are CZ and VZ owners like the elitists of red rifles? While some offer some good advice and logic such as a statement like: "well, if you get an SKS now there is a good chance you will later find yourself buying an 858", I find more arguments to be more of this nature:
"GET CZ OMG ITS SOOO AWESUM AND LIKE TAPCO STOCKS ARE RTTRRDED AND LIK OMG I HAD ONE BUT THEN I GOT 858 AND NAO IM NOT RTTRDED ANYMAOR LOLOLOLOLOLOL. I'D RATHER GET KICK IN NUTZ LOL
Well I wouldn't mind obliging that last part. Why do people act like upgrading to something superior is a form of enlightenment and licence to crap on other peoples things?
Here is a poem for those who feel that way:
Oh I once was bound with an SKS and tapco stock,
but now I'm found in the CZ's flock.
The SKS is a good rifle, the CZ is a better rifle. All in all, it really boils down to this: Get whichever one you want, do what you want to it and enjoy it.
I own an SKS with the "crappy" tapco stock on it. I enjoy it, but honestly, I would take an 858 over it if given the choice. At some point, I'll buy an 858, what I do with my SKS at that time will be my decision. I might keep it and use it with the tapco stock, I might use the original stock it came with, or perhaps I'll sell it. I won't see it as a waste of time or money because as I said before I enjoy my SKS as it is right now. Much like many current 858 owners enjoyed their SKS before upgrading to an 858.
Why are CZ and VZ owners like the elitists of red rifles? While some offer some good advice and logic such as a statement like: "well, if you get an SKS now there is a good chance you will later find yourself buying an 858", I find more arguments to be more of this nature:
"GET CZ OMG ITS SOOO AWESUM AND LIKE TAPCO STOCKS ARE RTTRRDED AND LIK OMG I HAD ONE BUT THEN I GOT 858 AND NAO IM NOT RTTRDED ANYMAOR LOLOLOLOLOLOL. I'D RATHER GET KICK IN NUTZ LOL
Well I wouldn't mind obliging that last part. Why do people act like upgrading to something superior is a form of enlightenment and licence to crap on other peoples things?
Here is a poem for those who feel that way:
Oh I once was bound with an SKS and tapco stock,
but now I'm found in the CZ's flock.
fat tony
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I find the SKS to be more reliable than the CZ-858's what with the welding on of various and sundry bits of steel onto the bolt carrier to fix a design flaw that somehow left the factory. The only gremlin my SKS had was doubling occasionally.
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Tapco stocks are garbage...SKS rifles are not.
I prefer the 58 for lots of obvious reasons - it's lighter, has better optics mounting options, detachable mags, better ergos and so on. But the SKS is a great little carbine and I don't hesitate to recommend them. I gave one to someone I care about a lot a couple of christmases ago (yes they have a PAL etc).
So I am not anti-SKS by any stretch. But Tapco stuff is cheaply made junk.
You can objectively evaluate items and find some lacking without being a "hater" or snob. I do it all the time, based on my own experiences shooting a lot of different guns, often hundreds of rounds a day in group training environments which expose the limits of both the shooter and the machinery.
I still like the SKS. I still hate Tapco.
Last year, i bought a Tapco stock for my chinese sks but after installing it, i didnt like the feeling and even,t shot the rifle so i get back to the original wood stock. Shortly after, i bought my cz858 and my sks's stay in the locker. In my opinion, the cz858 is a better rifle than the sks and after my cz, my vz52/57 is my favorite, vz52/57 is better than the sks.
Jocelyn
Jocelyn
I find the SKS to be more reliable than the CZ-858's what with the welding on of various and sundry bits of steel onto the bolt carrier to fix a design flaw that somehow left the factory. The only gremlin my SKS had was doubling occassionally.
I've never had any kind of ftf or fte etc in my CZ 858 or my SKS so reliability is not really an issue in either. I don't have a tabbed carrier either, the gremlin happens to like 1 in 1000 if that.
fat tony
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Sorry, it happened more than that in mine. After about 400 rounds. Your mileage obviously varied, I don't care how great the rifle is, they are nice don't get me wrong, but I decided to pass on one for that and other reasons for now. The fix is simple, removing parts of the trigger group and re-tensioning the sear spring, but why should I have to do that periodically in the first place?
Sorry, it happened more than that in mine. After about 400 rounds. Your mileage obviously varied, I don't care how great the rifle is, they are nice don't get me wrong, but I decided to pass on one for that and other reasons for now. The fix is simple, removing parts of the trigger group and re-tensioning the sear spring, but why should I have to do that periodically in the first place?
No, I mean it happens to like 1 in 1000 rifles. I have more than 1000 rounds through mine and no gremlin.
It happend to me but i found out it wasent the gremelin but a bit my fault went i re assemle my triger ground th locking plate wasent properly in place and it cause a gremelin like symtome, plus i ajusted the sear spring at the same time. Never ad a ftf since
I use a chinese sks and I love it. once you knock the bayonet off and the lug it attaches to the weight and balance improve quite a bit. Whenever I shoot at blastoff I remember why I love my sks; the stripper clips make for fast reloads and it doesn't fail. mine has a choate dragunov stock because #1 when I picked up the stock it felt amazing and #2 the wood stock was so ill fitting that I couldn't build the front up enough to engage strongly in the ferrule. the 58 is a nice piece but having those big mags with only five rounds would just upset me.
