Importing a Stock?

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Hey guys and gals, I hope this is in the right forum here.

Im looking at getting a stock for my mossberg maverick 88, and places like amazon.com, ebay.com, etc have them for reasonable prices (not 2 or 3 times the price like on some of the websites I have been searching on for the past hour) as well as the availability of the stocks up here seem to be non existent.

Im not sure of the legalities of getting a friend from the states to buy one for me, and send it up. Does anyone know if its legal, or could anyone point me in the right direction. Not really sure where to look or if I just call the border and ask them.

Advice and discussion appreciated.
 
preppypyro said:
Hey guys and gals, I hope this is in the right forum here.

Im looking at getting a stock for my mossberg maverick 88, and places like amazon.com, ebay.com, etc have them for reasonable prices (not 2 or 3 times the price like on some of the websites I have been searching on for the past hour) as well as the availability of the stocks up here seem to be non existent.

Im not sure of the legalities of getting a friend from the states to buy one for me, and send it up. Does anyone know if its legal, or could anyone point me in the right direction. Not really sure where to look or if I just call the border and ask them.

Advice and discussion appreciated.
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Bought 3 in the past year, one e-bay, one from remington direct and one from gunbroker. No issue it is just a piece of wood and the 100 doesn't apply. One of mine was over 300. take care
Just to add mine were all for shotguns
 
Got a Hogue on the ways from Brownells now. There can be other issues: e.g. the supplier has to be registered with ATF to export. Some aren't.

Or in the case of the Speedfeed stock I wanted, the distributor (Safariland) made all the US dealers agree not to sell outside the USA. I'm not to happy with THOSE folks - took my business elsewhere.
 
Gents, here we go again. This comes up at least once a week. Search here on CGN and you'll find this explained several times over.

A rifle stock is not 'just a piece of wood' and the $100 exemption for exporting firearm parts from the US only applies to a legal exporter.

To legally export any firearm part from the US, three things must ALL align:
1. The manufacturer must be registered with the Depart of State (DOS);
2. The exporter, even if a private citizen, must have a valid export permit from the DOS; and
3. The actual shipment must have an export license from, you guessed it, the DOS.

This presumes the parts are legal to import into Canada (remember mag capacity limits, etc.). Also, the US Dept of Commerce governs the export of shotguns and shotgun parts but the process is pretty much the same.

That all said, there are some individuals in the US that either do not know the regulations or choose to not follow them. Brownells and other vendors know and follow the rules to the letter. Some vendors, like Midway USA, simply choose to refuse to sell/ship anything at all to Canada.

If you've been able to get parts from the US from individuals without export permits, you're lucky and the exporter is lucky to not end up in jail and on the US Homeland Security Agency's bad boy list. If you're thinking of going south, buying something and bringing it back yourself, be prepared to have your day, and the rest of your days, go very very badly.

Educate yourself on the regulations. Not unlike Canada's, they can be convoluted and confusing but if you go astray of them and get caught, you're screwed.
 
Just to clarify. When I was last at Buffalo Gun Center, I purchased some (Canada-legal) magazines. The manufacturer is U.S. based but their products are legally available for sale here (Criteria #1 DOS registered manufacturer). Also, Buffalo Gun Center does export firearms to Canada (Criteria #2 DOS registered exporter.) The salesperson knew I was Canadian. The total value of "gun parts" was less than $100 U.S. After my purchase, I crossed the border without incident.
Did I inadvertently, break any U.S. export law?
Thanks for the clarification.
 
locgo said:
Just to clarify. When I was last at Buffalo Gun Center, I purchased some (Canada-legal) magazines. The manufacturer is U.S. based but their products are legally available for sale here (Criteria #1 DOS registered manufacturer). Also, Buffalo Gun Center does export firearms to Canada (Criteria #2 DOS registered exporter.) The salesperson knew I was Canadian. The total value of "gun parts" was less than $100 U.S. After my purchase, I crossed the border without incident.
Did I inadvertently, break any U.S. export law?
Thanks for the clarification.
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In clear, very certain terms, YES you broke US law. You do not hold (I presume from your description) a valid US Export Permit (in the the US, the person holds the permit and the shipment has the license), so YES you broke US law. You didn't get caught, but that does not mean you were legal.

The value of the shipment does not matter if you do not hold a valid export permit. You could be exporting one single stock screw or you could be exporting a fighter jet. The US regulations don't care.
 
Fusilier said:
Gents, here we go again. This comes up at least once a week. Search here on CGN and you'll find this explained several times over.

A rifle stock is not 'just a piece of wood' and the $100 exemption for exporting firearm parts from the US only applies to a legal exporter.

To legally export any firearm part from the US, three things must ALL align:
1. The manufacturer must be registered with the Depart of State (DOS);
2. The exporter, even if a private citizen, must have a valid export permit from the DOS; and
3. The actual shipment must have an export license from, you guessed it, the DOS.

This presumes the parts are legal to import into Canada (remember mag capacity limits, etc.). Also, the US Dept of Commerce governs the export of shotguns and shotgun parts but the process is pretty much the same.

That all said, there are some individuals in the US that either do not know the regulations or choose to not follow them. Brownells and other vendors know and follow the rules to the letter. Some vendors, like Midway USA, simply choose to refuse to sell/ship anything at all to Canada.

If you've been able to get parts from the US from individuals without export permits, you're lucky and the exporter is lucky to not end up in jail and on the US Homeland Security Agency's bad boy list. If you're thinking of going south, buying something and bringing it back yourself, be prepared to have your day, and the rest of your days, go very very badly.

Educate yourself on the regulations. Not unlike Canada's, they can be convoluted and confusing but if you go astray of them and get caught, you're screwed.
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Nice write up but unfortunately is it 100% correct. Shot guns and shotgun parts are classed totally different than rifle parts are they not??. Stocks have not been an issue for shotguns and most stock manufacturers lately. Like I said mine came from remington arms direct since you cannot buy a sp-10 stock anywhere. You think Remington would break the law or not know what they can ship to canada legally.It has changed with manufacturers that many times in the past 5 years I cannot keep up with it. In 2007 no one would ship you any stock rifle or shotgun stock period. Now it seems more and more suppliers are shipping stocks again. All how the regs are being interputed I think.Stocks are a gray area for many
Here is another supplier I have purchased from with no issues, he says it is just a old piece of wood also
http://rifle-stocks.com/international_orders.htm

Boyds just uses a blanket for all and locks it down to 100.00 prior to shipping
https://www.boydsgunstocks.com/Articles.asp?ID=155
 
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3macs1 said:
Nice write up but unfortunately is it 100% correct. Shot guns and shotgun parts are classed totally different than rifle parts are they not??. Stocks have not been an issue for shotguns and most stock manufacturers lately. Like I said mine came from remington arms direct since you cannot buy a sp-10 stock anywhere. You think Remington would break the law or not know what they can ship to canada legally.It has changed with manufacturers that many times in the past 5 years I cannot keep up with it. In 2007 no one would ship you any stock rifle or shotgun stock period. Now it seems more and more suppliers are shipping stocks again. All how the regs are being interputed I think.Stocks are a gray area for many
Here is another supplier I have purchased from with no issues, he says it is just a old piece of wood also
http://rifle-stocks.com/international_orders.htm

Boyds just uses a blanket for all and locks it down to 100.00 prior to shipping
https://www.boydsgunstocks.com/Articles.asp?ID=155
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I've purchased directly from Savage Arms myself. Different manufacturers have decided if they will pay the fees for the various levels of paperwork. The regulations on the US DOS are very clear. A firearm part is a firearm part, no matter how small (with my apologies to Dr. Seuss).

Boyds has their paperwork in order and have just decided that is isn't worth it to pay for an export license for each individual shipment over $100.00. Don't think for a moment that they don't have their export permit sorted out and the manufacturer registration sorted out as well. The $100 'limit' isn't a loop hole. It is a value that they can work with without charging the customer another service fee. Who's going to pay for a $110 dollar stock if they also have to pay $250 on top of that for a one time export license. I'm just guessing at the Export License fee - remember the fee is tied to the physical shipment and is separate and different from the exporter's export permit that they need to do any export.

It is, in summary, illegal to export any firearm part, from the US without the proper paperwork. If you manage to do it without getting caught, just consider yourself lucky. I've done it myself in the past and I've had good friends bring bits up for me too but never again. I'll never put myself or a friend of mine in that kind of jeopardy with the US authorities. It just isn't worth it.
 
I've ordered stocks for many different guns from Numrich Gun Parts and have never had a problem. Give them a try! They often have rock bottom prices on old or over stocked parts they acquire from different manufacturers.
 
Guys thank you very much for the discussion, and giving me a little direction on where to look, and whatnot!

Very much appreciated, as i do like to use forums to start educating myself on different issues.
 
preppypyro said:
Guys thank you very much for the discussion, and giving me a little direction on where to look, and whatnot!

Very much appreciated, as i do like to use forums to start educating myself on different issues.
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I called the department of commerce and asked about ITAR and export restrictions when it came to shot gun parts. In particular I was looking at the side armor rail for my benelli m4.

DOC told me that rail system would be exempt despite sidearmor's website.. So I just had it shipped to buffalo and drove it across. I never asked about stocks.
 
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