What is a respectable group size for .22LR @ 50m?

Ammo is key. Get some RWS, Lapua and Eley standard velocity target stuff and try a box of each.

1/2" at 50 m is a good start. 0.25" at 50 m is really nice.

It's fun to watch .22s go through the same hole at 50m over and over. Worth the cost of the ammo.
 
Ar180shooter said:
Aiming for under 1/2" is a good starting point. The nice thing about it is you don't need a fancy setup to do it. The following was done at 50 yards with a Marlin 925 using a 3-9 scope and Blazer ammunition (trigger pull is about 2 1/2 lbs)... hardly a target set up.

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This is a very nice group.

I've been shooting Winchester Super X's and have been getting around 2.5" group with 10 shots @ 100 m. This is with a stock Savage Mark 2 F and a Tasco 6x-24x 50mm scope, bipod on a bench. I do admit there's still a lot of shooter error on my part as some groups will get the odd flyer.

I've just picked up some CCI stingers and found these are shooting around 5 inches higher which probably means they have more a linear trajectory being that these rounds are hyper velo rated @ 1600 FPS - I like the pop too.

I'd like to achieve 1.5" @ 100m with my set up.

 
CCI Mini Mag vs. Federal Gold Medal vs. Lapua Standard Plus

Took the MkII out to the range and figured I'd do some side by side comparisons of the ammunition. Beautiful day but a moderate wind going diagonal from left to right. Going to have to play around a bit more with the Lapua as it looks promising. One thing that I'm learning is that I'm not a huge fan of the MkII ergonomics ... may have to get myself a Boyd's Tacticool or something similar. Here's the target:

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Tikka223 said:
Took the MkII out to the range and figured I'd do some side by side comparisons of the ammunition. Beautiful day but a moderate wind going diagonal from left to right. Going to have to play around a bit more with the Lapua as it looks promising. One thing that I'm learning is that I'm not a huge fan of the MkII ergonomics ... may have to get myself a Boyd's Tacticool or something similar. Here's the target:

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What are your physical shooting factors? ie. bench, shooting rest, bag, etc?

Personally, after using a bench bag or something similar to zero my scope, I only stick to my bipod after that which is more or less akin to shooting in "real world" conditions. That's just me.

 
I was shootIng off a bench with front and rear rest and a plastic chair. Wasn't a bad set up. I hear you on the bipod, so little recoil that the bipod doesn't interfere with accuracy too much. I will try a few things differently next time, like how I hold the gun, rear rest / no rear rest etc. I have a feeling I can get those groups tighter.
 
SK, Germany, is owned by Lapua. Lapua-branded .22 is also now made in Germany in a new production facility and the technology and equipment is seperate from SK. Lapua is part of the Nammo small arms group.

SK Standard Plus shoots very well for many and is a a good starting place from which you may not have to look further.

Regards,

Peter
 

So far I've tried the following type of 22 LR ammo in my Savage Mark II F:

Remington Golden Bullets, 36 gr
Winchester Super X High Velocity, 40 gr
Winchester Commerative, 40 gr
CCI Stingers Hyper Velocity, 32 gr

I've just picked some Remington Target Standard Velocity, 40 gr

I will re-zero at 50 yds and post results after this weekend with all ammo.



 
If you are shooting standard velocity or any of the cheaper bulk pack ammo you will not get down to the 1/2" or below grouping with any rifle at 50 meters. These will pass below the speed of sound on the way to a target farther than 20-30 yards. The bulk ammo will also give you a large number of flyers since the primer/load will vary too much and the quality of how straight the bullet sits in the casing varies too much. On very cold days the speed of sound can drop below the 1126 fps amount therefore the majority of match type ammo usually rates at less than 1090 fps. They are rated in test barrels that are 24-26" long. A shorter barrel (down to about 16") and bentz or match chambers can actually produce higher velocities than the stated test numbers.

SK Standard Plus is the same ammo as Wolf MT. The latter is not available in Canada since it is not on the NRCan approved list of ammunition.

Federal 711B is a cheap alternative for practice or non-match use along with Eley Sport. Occaisionally you will find a lot # of this that shoots remarkably well for the price.

Always fire about a dozen or so rounds of a new ammo type through the bore before evluating it for accuracy. 22LR bullets are extremely sensitive to the lube used on the bullet and you need to lay down a new layer of it on the bore before the grouping settles down.

Sorting ammunition by weight and rim thickness can tighten your groups also. Many manufacturers offer premium grade ammo that is the same as their lower end stuff but it has already been pre sorted in this regards. The primer actually accounts for a sizable portion of the overall energy in a fired 22 LR round. How consistantly this is manufactured and applied to the round is one of the major influences on accuracy as well.

If your interested in achievable group sizes using target/match ammo check out the following link. The rifle used (Bleiker)is extremely high end and the ammunition types are quite extensive.

http://www.accurateshooter.com/gear-reviews/22lr-rimfire-ammo-comparison-test/
 
Tikka223 where are you in New Brunswick?If you can check out the Petitcodiac's Sportsman club site and come visit the 22 shoots .Lots of Savages there and you might learn something to help you.I shoot one myself and is about ammo and where you are in the bags.No bipod needed.For off the counter ammo CCI blazer.For accuracy check out SKS or some older Lapua if you can find it.
 
Interesting article ... quite a bit of variation from a high end rifle. I've got a brick of Standard Plus to burn through now, maybe once the barrel gets fouled / lubed with the coating on these rounds it'll shoot better.
 
jklutes said:
Tikka223 where are you in New Brunswick?If you can check out the Petitcodiac's Sportsman club site and come visit the 22 shoots .Lots of Savages there and you might learn something to help you.I shoot one myself and is about ammo and where you are in the bags.No bipod needed.For off the counter ammo CCI blazer.For accuracy check out SKS or some older Lapua if you can find it.
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I'm out of Fredericton. I didn't know that Petitcodiac had a range. I'll check it out and see if I can make one of the shoot dates. A day of .22 shooting would be fun.
 
Tikka223 said:
Interesting article ... quite a bit of variation from a high end rifle. I've got a brick of Standard Plus to burn through now, maybe once the barrel gets fouled / lubed with the coating on these rounds it'll shoot better.
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It shouldn't take more than 20 fouling shots or so to calm it down. New rifles exhibit a tendancy to shoot better after you sent a few hundred or even thousand rounds down the pipe. My CZ leveled out after 3 bricks worth going through it.
 
Lapua Standard Plus results ...

Got out to the range today after a good barrel clean. No wind, sun, 20 degrees, lovely day. Was using a bipod on a carpet and a rear back. I'm quite impressed with the results. Next step will be a stock swap as I'm really not too fond of the ergonomics. Here's my target.

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Those are excellent groupings there (most of them) for shooting from a bipod. If you want to tighten them more use a front and rear bag from a solid base/bench. I'm shooting low to mid .3's on good days with my CZ 455 TH (50 yrds) from the bench using SK Standard Plus. I use a good front rest with a rear rabbit ear bag and have a whoppin big scope (Mueller 8X32) usually set at about 20-24X. With two bags and my normal 16X hunting scope these groups open up to high .4's- 1/2" size. These small things make a big difference when you start trying to tighten up your groups.
 
Savage Mark II out to 100m

Here's a pic of some shooting that I was doing at 100m. I had to hold off a tiny bit more than 2 mills on my scope but my little .22 was doing pretty good. Using Standard Plus ammo. G1 was the POI when I was aiming at the very top of the vertical black center line. Quite a bit of drop with these little bullets.

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Thread revival! :D

I picked up a box of Eley Target rounds from Bass Pro last night (only place in the GTA I could find them - it was by accident too):
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I want to see what kind of groups I get with my stock Savage Mark II at 60 metres. My current set up is with a Harris bi-pod and a Tasco 6-24x 50mm AO Varmint scope. I shoot from the bench but don't currently use a rear bag for stabilization.
If I get out to the range this weekend I will update and post results.
 
Okey, here is some information.

This Tuesday I was at the RWS factory (at Fürth, Germany) and saw the test bench where they test/select ammo (RWS R50, here it's around $140 per brick) for the really high-end rifles.

So here are the numbers: really good group size on 50 meters is 12-13 mm outer dimension. (Consider bullet diameter - 5.6 mm)
Sometimes there were less than 10mm diameter 10 shot groups, but they are really not repeatable. So in 5 10-shoot groups one group could be less than 10mm, but total 50 shoot group is 12.88mm.

Speed is measured 329-335 m/s.

So now you know the Olympic-level numbers - compare to what you have ;)

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