Post war tgf K98k

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Carrying on with the K98k threads, here's a few pics of my tgf K98k purchased from a Canadian dealer. These were K98k rifles built by the Czechs post war in Brno on the same equipment that was used in making rifles for the Wehrmacht during the war (Brno was Waffen-Werke Brunn and produced K98k rifles stamped dot and later swp). The Czechs continued using a three letter code and year stamped on the receiver, in the same manner that K98k manufacturers were designated during the war.

Some say these rifles were made for export and were sold to the DDR and Israel - maybe - but mine has no East German/Israeli stamps that I am aware of. In fact these rifles often have very little markings at all. For those that want to learn more there's a good write up about these rifles in the Milsurps.com Knowledge Library courtesy of Claven2.

http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=159-1945-1950-Post-War-Czech-K98k-(Karabiner-98)-Rifle

Serial numbers are marked on the receiver, buttplate, bolt handle, safety, cocking piece, firing pin, bolt shroud, both barrel bands, trigger guard, floor plate and the buttstock, though I'm not sure if the buttplate is correct or the stock as there is some misalignment. However this just might be shoddy manufacturing. The bluing and laminate stock are very good but the bore is not. It has an interesting front band and sight when compared to my ce 41 posted in a separate thread in this forum.

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tgf 50 from the dealer's web site.

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Three mausers. From top: prewar Polish Wz. 29, post war Czech tgf 50, WW2 ce 41.

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Receiver with tgf 1950 stamp.

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Receiver and trigger.

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Rear sight and receiver.

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Bent bolt with bolt handle cutout in laminate stock.

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Matching serial number on the floor plate and stamped trigger guard/magazine assembly.

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Barrel showing interesting front barrel band and front sight.

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Close up of front barrel band.

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Close up of front sight.

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Barrel and fore stock. Front barrel band is matching.

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Buttstock and receiver. No bolt take down washer, as similar to the Kriegsmodell K98k. Cupped matching buttplate.

Thanks for looking.
 
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Nice looking rifle. The post war Czech rifles are a great way for someone to get a k98 pretty much identical to a wartime production rifle at comparably low cost. Usually the bores are excellent on TGF 50 rifles, at least on the ones I've seen.
 
CanadianAR said:
I saw your post over at gunboards.
Nice rifle.
The bore is bad??
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Yeah, the previous owner apparently fired corrosive ammo and didn't clean it properly. I'm going to give it a try. Fire polishing was suggested.

jimbo45 said:
how much did it cost you with a bad bore i have th same rifle but appears unfired
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I paid $325 for it. I feel the price reflected the state of the bore and I was willing to take a chance on it.

Mike Webb said:
Nice looking rifle. The post war Czech rifles are a great way for someone to get a k98 pretty much identical to a wartime production rifle at comparably low cost. Usually the bores are excellent on TGF 50 rifles, at least on the ones I've seen.
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Unfortunately this is the only tgf K98k I've seen. Other than the bore, its fine.
 
That is one nice tgf, you don't see many of them around. I do remember seeing one other on the EE a month or two ago and she was slightly different by having the post war Czech trigger guard and magazine assembly.

Firing my own hand loads through dirty bores has helped me with a few rifles that had sewer pipe bores. Now many of them have good or very good bores.

Are you able to get a close up of the front sight ? I have always been curious how the Czech designed this part of their rifles.
 
The TGFs are nice rifles. Looks like the middle band has been replaced, the original TGF 50 contract with that style of stamped triggerguard (as opposed to the larger "winter" style") usually had a unique stamped, swiveling side mount assembly, vice the milled style on yours. They had the last two digits on the SN on them, does your milled band have the SN on it ?.
 
4b1t said:
The TGFs are nice rifles. Looks like the middle band has been replaced, the original TGF 50 contract with that style of stamped triggerguard (as opposed to the larger "winter" style") usually had a unique stamped, swiveling side mount assembly, vice the milled style on yours. They had the last two digits on the SN on them, does your milled band have the SN on it ?.
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The rear band of my tgf is stamped with the last two digits of the serial number but the rear band is different from the tgf 50 that is owned by Pigsah on Gunboards.The rear band on his rifle is like the one you describe.

http://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=455245&d=1313551593

My tgf rear band is similar to the one on Milsurps.com - picture 24 of the virtual tour.

http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=159-1945-1950-Post-War-Czech-K98k-(Karabiner-98)-Rifle

My tgf 1950 has matching serial numbers on the receiver, front band, floor plate and trigger guard. The rear band and bolt are matching and are stamped with the last two digits of the serial number (bolt shroud, safety and cocking piece). The extractor retaining ring is stamped WaA 135 with a small MI on the safety lug. The bolt head has a small stamp that I cannot make out. I haven't disassembled my tgf so I don't know about the barrel.

The bolt stop has a different last two digits as does the bayonet lug which appears to have a Waffenamt on it as well as the number 1. There is a small 0 on the base of the bolt handle but no serial number. The numbers on the cupped buttplate and the laminate stock are different from each other and do not match the other serial numbers. What I thought was misalignment or missing screws in the stock/buttplate are the holes for the Kriegsmodell style bolt takedown.

No marks whatsoever on the rear sight but this is described as normal practice from the article on Milsurps.com. The distance scale is plum, not in the white, and is the only plum coloured part on my tgf.

Other marks seen are Crossed Swords on the receiver, which I believe is a Czech military acceptance mark and two T's in circles - one on the barrel and one on the receiver. There is also a sideways k in a circle on the receiver as well and a small faint Z. There is a f on the cross bolt and an A and an unknown mark in a circle on the magazine follower. My tgf has the same trigger as Pigsah's but as previously mentioned a different rear band - more like a milled K98k band. Unknown marks on the front sight base which other than the unusual hood, is a ramp and blade.

Took a closer look at the bore - it seems better than described but the barrel looks like a sewer pipe. I'm hoping it will clean up. Other than the barrel and some wear on the extractor this tgf is in very good condition. I think it was money well spent.
 
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Nabs said:
That is one nice tgf, you don't see many of them around. I do remember seeing one other on the EE a month or two ago and she was slightly different by having the post war Czech trigger guard and magazine assembly.
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I'm pretty sure this is the correct trigger guard/magazine as well. Its stamped and matches to the rest of the rifle. It could be a late Kriegsmodell style trigger guard and floor plate. The Czechs used up stocks of old German parts as well as the large bow trigger guard as shown on the Milsurps.com.

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Are you able to get a close up of the front sight ? I have always been curious how the Czech designed this part of their rifles.
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I'll try to take a better pic. But if you look at what I've already posted the hood is like a 'U' shaped piece of metal laid with the bottom of the 'U' at the front of the sight with an opening to aim the blade. The sides of the 'U' flared outward at the back. Its seems to be a one piece milled part with a screw through the lower part of the sides behind the ramp to hold the hood in place by squeezing the sides together. I think there's a little tab on the 'U' that fits into the base at the front. I removed the screw and tried taking the hood off but would have to spread the 'U' wider. I don't think it would be easy.
 
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Nabs said:
That is one nice tgf, you don't see many of them around. I do remember seeing one other on the EE a month or two ago and she was slightly different by having the post war Czech trigger guard and magazine assembly.

Firing my own hand loads through dirty bores has helped me with a few rifles that had sewer pipe bores. Now many of them have good or very good bores.

Are you able to get a close up of the front sight ? I have always been curious how the Czech designed this part of their rifles.
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that was probably mine you seen i pulled it off due to the low ballers. if i was a little better with the computer i would show it off its a gorgeous rifle
 
Originally Posted by 4b1t
The TGFs are nice rifles. Looks like the middle band has been replaced, the original TGF 50 contract with that style of stamped triggerguard (as opposed to the larger "winter" style") usually had a unique stamped, swiveling side mount assembly, vice the milled style on yours. They had the last two digits on the SN on them, does your milled band have the SN on it ?.

The rear band of my tgf is stamped with the last two digits of the serial number but the rear band is different from the tgf 50 that is owned by Pigsah on Gunboards.The rear band on his rifle is like the one you describe.

the rear band of my tgf 1950 is same as yours and also has the last two digits of the serial number on it one on each side where the sling loops through,is your stock serial numberd to the rifle as mine is also my stock is not the laminated style
 
fugawi said:
I'm pretty sure this is the correct trigger guard/magazine as well. Its stamped and matches to the rest of the rifle. It could be a late Kriegsmodell style trigger guard and floor plate. The Czechs used up stocks of old German parts as well as the large bow trigger guard as shown on the Milsurps.com.
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Yours is definitely a correct post war Czech TGF stamped triggerguard, the late war Kreigs are completely different.

Nice rifle.
 
Thanks for the compliments guys. I'm going to work on the barrel today.

Jimbo45 would love to see pics of your tgf. If you need help posting pics just PM me and I'll walk you thru it. I recommend using imgur.com for photo sharing. Its easier to use than PhotoBucket and faster too.
 
Here's mine (top) with a post war DDR refurb. Virtually identical to yours except for the front swivelling sling mount.
 
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fugawi said:
Thanks for the compliments guys. I'm going to work on the barrel today.

Jimbo45 would love to see pics of your tgf. If you need help posting pics just PM me and I'll walk you thru it. I recommend using imgur.com for photo sharing. Its easier to use than PhotoBucket and faster too.
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thanks if you want pm me your email if you like and ill take some good pics of all the details of my rifle and email too you i dont use image hosteing sights i should just pay the membership to cgn so i can up load directly,then if you want you can put the on here if guys want to compare barrel bands and such there isent alot of info out there about these brno made mausers
 
Nabs said:
Are you able to get a close up of the front sight ? I have always been curious how the Czech designed this part of their rifles.
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Nabs, I did some research and determined that the front sight hood on my tgf 50 is a Vz 24 hood. Not sure if this is a bubba replacement or something the Czechs did themselves. Other pics of tgf 50s I have seen have the usual German K98k hood or none at all.
 
Very common to see East German K-98 rifles with the VZ-24 hood, added by the Czechs when they refurbished the rifles for them.
 
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