Otis, Boresnake or rod?? Which do you use?

[milshooter]

I am not a metallurgist, but am confident that any primer, powder smudge is

not going to scratch any barrel made of steel when using a boresnake. It's not like it's steel wool for christ sake.


Still fail to see how a cotton poly string with a bronze brush will scratch a

STEEL barrel.

Seems to me that the friction, heat and pressure are more detrimental to a

rifle barrel than cleaning with a boresnake.

 

[stubblejumper]

Kreiger,Shilen,Lilja, Pac-nor, and Hart, all recommend one piece coated cleaning rods, and a bore guide on their sites. Why do you suppose all of these premium barrel manufacturers all recommend the exact same cleaning equipment?

 

[elimsprint]

We take care of a barrel that is competitive...that means NO methods that might, over time, decrease the accuracy of said barrel.

So you don't shoot it then? Is that correct because shooting will over time degrade the accuracy of any barrel
I clean my Boresnake, and I have one in every caliber that I shoot, by putting it in a sock and running it with a load of socks etc every couple of weeks.
Kim

 

[Eagleye]

So you don't shoot it then? Is that correct because shooting will over time degrade the accuracy of any barrel
I clean my Boresnake, and I have one in every caliber that I shoot, by putting it in a sock and running it with a load of socks etc every couple of weeks.
Kim

Talk about putting words in my mouth!!
I was talking about cleaning methods NOT shooting, and you could have figured that out for yourself.
Shooting we have little control over - Cleaning we have complete control of.
Were you aware that primers DO have abrasives included in their mixture?
By your comments, I think not.
These abrasives are harder than steel.
That is one reason why it is recommended that you do not drag a dirty patch back through your bore when cleaning, but let it drop off after pushing it through from the breech end.
You just go ahead and use your boresnakes.
I choose not to because of the recommendations of several premium barrelmakers to use guides and one-piece rods only for cleaning.
Regards, Eagleye.

 

[plinker 777]

Where do you suppose the crud ends up that is loosened by the solvent and brush, and is then picked up by the bore snake? It just keeps accumulating in the bore snake. Unless you clean the bore snake after each use, it keeps accumulating, and you keep dragging all of that accumulated crud through the barrel, over and over again.

Umm...who cares....it's a 10/22 (no offence OP) do you involuntarily sh1t your pants every time the wind is blowing and your action is open?....it's a gun.
shoot it.
have fun

 

[shawn]

Kreiger,Shilen,Lilja, Pac-nor, and Hart, all recommend one piece coated cleaning rods, and a bore guide on their sites. Why do you suppose all of these premium barrel manufacturers all recommend the exact same cleaning equipment?

Last time I looked Ruger 10/22s didn't have any of these barrels.

And for the abrasives from the primer and crude working like sand paper. How is a boresnake any different than a patch? You are still pushing all the junk and fouling from the breach end all the way through the barrel.

Just get over it it is not required 99.99999999% of people. Spend the money on more ammo

Shawn

 

[stubblejumper]

And for the abrasives from the primer and crude working like sand paper. How is a boresnake any different than a patch? You are still pushing all the junk and fouling from the breach end all the way through the barrel.

Because I use a clean patch for each and every pass, whereas 99.99999999% of people do not use a clean bore snake for each and every pass.

 

[Skyllz]

This discussion is EXACTLY why I dont bother getting into discussions in here sometimes and how the very strict opinion of some people are destroying the sport from the inside.

Apparently, on the internet, anyone with any rifle can hit a dime at 100 yards. Everyone should have that super magical cleaning kit meant for sniper rifles issued to Top secret Sniper Seal Team 63245 because their friends uncle said it was the best...

Lots of people here seem to have forgotten that 99% of the shooters out there do it FOR FUN, not competitive, no to make money or whatever.

So simple question, clean a 10/22, yes a boresnake is perfect for this application.

The rest... Go back to fondling your old Anshultz or whatever. One day you will possess them all and you will be alone shooting your lil targets by making new people that just want to have fun think they need to go through the hoops you describe just to choot some coke cans of a fence at the cottage.

 

[elimsprint]

Because I use a clean patch for each and every pass, whereas most people do not use a clean bore snake for each and every pass.

Do you clean the barrel after every shot. The bullet does more damage going down the barrel pushing the abrasive primer fouling from the round before than any amount of boresnaking ever will. And that's even if you don't clean your boresnake regularly which I do. You are of course entitled to your opinion on them but I really don't see as they do any harm at all to a majority of barrels. I think in the case of 10/22's and other semis that they are probably really beneficial as people tend to clean those guns more often because a boresnake is so easy to use. They are also not shoving a cleaning rod in the muzzle with a good chance of ruining the crown. That's just my opinion though.
I have one 10/22 with well over 10,000 rounds through it. It has been boresnaked after just about every shooting session, 200-300 rounds and it will still knock the spray button off a spray paint can at 50 yds 7 times out of 10. And that's with AE solids. I just did it again today, 16 out of 23. 6 of the missed 7 I got on the second shot and took 3 shots for 1. I guess I would have done better if I hadn't boresnaked all those times and ruined the barrel?
Kim

 

[stubblejumper]

I have one 10/22 with well over 10,000 rounds through it.

It sounds like you consider 10,000 rounds a lot for a 22lr.Some companies consider 10,000 rounds just enough to break in a 22lr. I guess that could partly explain our different points of view.

 

[SandRoad]

Geee, am I supposed to clean a 22?

Have one that was last cleaned in the 1970's or thereabouts. This entire cleaning business is overrated.

 

[canadaman30]

I would think firing your gun and sending any bits of crud down the barrel at thousands of ft/s at high temps will do more harm than worry about using patches or boresnakes. I have used copper brushes and patches and my last patch I send it down the barrel with some oil. My guns will out live me so I don't fret of little things in life.

 

[NorthernCX]

For the OP: As you can see, cleaning and care of firearms is like religion... everyone has one, everyone thinks theirs is the one and only 'true' method, etc. No offense meant, but benchrest shooters are like NHL goalies. More superstitions than you can think of, and you'll never convince one of them to admit they may not be right. So leave them be, whatever keeps you happy and shooting is what matters.

99.99999999% of the damage done to rifle barrels through cleaning them is done through careless cleaning and/or with the multiple-piece rods. Especially the super-cheap aluminum rods that pick up and hold metal filings. This includes cleaning from the muzzle end.

For heavens' sake, clean your rifle. I've seen many good rifles ruined through NOT cleaning them (pretty heartbreaking to look down the bore of a once-accurate Parker-Hale in .270 to see a fuzz-filled (rust) tube because someone forgot to clean it after hunting season). Leaving primer and powder residue sitting in the bore is asking moisture to collect and do its dirty work.

No Boresnake is going to abrade any barrel, ever. Neither will a bronze brush. They are both softer than ordnance steel. Particles left in it through NOT cleaning the Boresnake as others have mentioned might. Free advice, take it or leave it.

Get a one-piece rod, Dewey or Tipton, and the appropriate jags/bronze brushes, and a bore guide, and a good cleaning cradle. Get a Boresnake, use it for one pass after each shooting session with that rifle, and clean the Boresnake. Do a thorough cleaning with the rod/guide combo at the end of your shooting season, or at least once a year. Keep the barrel lightly oiled and the action even MORE lightly oiled (just bought a 597 VTR from a bubba who thought oil seeping out of the seams was a good thing), and that rifle will outlive you.

Hopping off the soapbox.