Kung Fu Grip?

[Clobbersauras]

I'm just wondering what all you tactical gods do with your reaction/support/weak hand when shooting your rifles?

I run a vert grip but really only use it to index my hand in the same place every time. I try to get my hand as close to the muzzle as safely possible. I drop my wrist down and forward, so that my thumb rests along the left side of the rifle over the light rail, parallel with the bore. I apply medium rearward pressure. That's what I do...but.....

I see a lot of guys who now run their thumbs over the top of the HG, and a lot of guys now don't use anything to index their hand. Do they apply downward pressure and do they squeeze the HG hard or with just medium pressure? I've shot with my thumb over the top, didn't feel right, but most things don't until you do it a couple hundred times. Maybe I wasn't doing it right....

I know this stuff tends to evolve but I wonder what is currently being taught?

 

[NaOH]

I angle my hand on the vertical grip and my thumb hooks onto the side rail sort of like my handgun grip.

 

[Amazingkg3]

I use a thumb over bore grip, with my hand as far forward as possible. I have a surefire SR07 tape switch to reference my thumb.

 

[Clobbersauras]

Do you use a vert grip or hand stop? what kind of hand pressure do you use?

 

[Kampfhamster]

Only ran a forward grip for a short time on my Swissarms carbine .

In my opinion the problem with forward grips is that they're really only good when shooting from a standing position. As soon as the shooting position changed to kneeling or prone it gets really awkward and uncomfortable.

Have since removed all rails from all of my rifles, except rails for flashlights.

Way more comfortable when using different shooting positions.

Plus I have less weight to carry and less stuff that could break on my rifle.

 

[TDC]

I'm the same as kampfhamster, no vert grips or index clips etc etc. Plain smooth tube and similar grip as the OP's, thumb forward but slightly high on the tube to activate the light. Firm grip with enough pressure to aid in "seating" the rifle into the shoulder pocket. Arm extended as far as is comfortable.

TDC

 

[Amazingkg3]

Do you use a vert grip or hand stop? what kind of hand pressure do you use?

I don't use either, that said I am thinking of putting an Impact Weapons Components hand stop, as I find when I switch shoulders (from right to left), I am scrambling to find a comfortable spot for my right hand so I think I could really benefit from one. That said I don't think there is anything wrong with using a vert grip.

I use the thumb over bore, as I find that it really helps with recoil mitigation. I did shoot thumb forward using a vert grip, but I find this works much better for me. Essentially all I was taught to do is drive the weapon with your support hand into your shoulder firmly (not hard) It's something I find hard to explain, but go try a few grips out on the range and see what works for you.

This thread is useful as well.

ar15.com/forums/t_9_1/228497_Thoughts_about_this_rifle_support_hold.html

 

[PH Racing]

I'm just wondering what all you tactical gods do with your reaction/support/weak hand when shooting your rifles?

Usually I'm indicating what I think of the other shooters on the line...

 

[Clobbersauras]

^^lmao!

I don't use either, that said I am thinking of putting an Impact Weapons Components hand stop, as I find when I switch shoulders (from right to left), I am scrambling to find a comfortable spot for my right hand so I think I could really benefit from one. That said I don't think there is anything wrong with using a vert grip.
ar15.com/forums/t_9_1/228497_Thoughts_about_this_rifle_support_hold.html

You make a good point regarding the very grip and shoulder changes. I've only ever done it using a vert grip, or hand stop, and I think it would be much slower without one.

I use the Cadex hand stop on my VZ. It's made out of aluminum and works fine for shoulder transitions and as an index. When I get a quad rail for the AR I'll likely get on for it too.

http://www.oneshottactical.com/Merc...neshot&Product_Code=FP-1164&Category_Code=GPS

 

[Amazingkg3]

^^lmao!



You make a good point regarding the very grip and shoulder changes. I've only ever done it using a vert grip, or hand stop, and I think it would be much slower without one.

I use the Cadex hand stop on my VZ. It's made out of aluminum and works fine for shoulder transitions and as an index. When I get a quad rail for the AR I'll likely get on for it too.

http://www.oneshottactical.com/Merc...neshot&Product_Code=FP-1164&Category_Code=GPS

I would likely go with this if I stay with my Samson. Looking into something different now, but they make a multitude of hand stops for tonnes of brands.

impactweaponscomponents.com/product/weapon-control-mount/

 

[CarbineOne]

Elbow locked, high thumb grip on a hand stop.

 

[na1lb0hm]

Have an elbow injury that prevents me from straightening or rotating my left arm completely, so I moved from just a standard fore end to an afg.

I keep my thumb parallel with the barrel, the rest of my hand kind of dangling/angled down mid way down the hand guard. For repeatability, I keep my pinkie hooked into the opening on the grip. It's not the best, but it keeps the nerves from being pinched and my hand going numb.

 

[lawn gnome]

Kung Fu Grip!

Damm it Clobb.

I thought this thread was about the twelve inch high GI Joes with those backwards thumbs.

 

[Longshot]

For longer distance accuracy oriented shooting its wrapped around the mag or mag well. For cqb the last three fingers of my left hand are on the very grip ( if I'm using one), my index finger points along the barrel to the target and my thumb wraps around the forend.

 

[aspect]

I am a big fan of the handstop for a thumb-up-the-side grip. I don't roll my arm enough to get my thumb OVER the top of the grip, but it sits pretty close to the middle, just behind the front sight.

You may recognize what my handstop used to be...very comfortable and doesn't require a rail! Much better than the impact weapons etc, imo.

 

[Cpt.Flan]

Cheers.

 

[Clobbersauras]

I am a big fan of the handstop for a thumb-up-the-side grip. I don't roll my arm enough to get my thumb OVER the top of the grip, but it sits pretty close to the middle, just behind the front sight.

You may recognize what my handstop used to be...very comfortable and doesn't require a rail! Much better than the impact weapons etc, imo.

Yeah, I was thinking about doing that to my MOE vert grip....

But dude! Where did you get your Mount-N Slot light mount? I thought they wouldn't ship to Canada? I must have one!

Damn nice rifle by the way.

 

[aspect]

Yeah I just hit it with a radial arm saw. Came out pretty nice. I never, ever used it as a vertical "grip" so it makes more sense as is. The advantage over rail mount handstops and even the impact weapon components handstop is that the MOE grip blends perfectly into the handguard...there's no "step" to bite into your hand. If you have big hands I guess it doesn't make that much of a difference, but even my wife has longer fingers than me haha.

I actually live in Arizona now, so I just ordered the mount and slot flashlight holder and QD sling swivel direct from impact weapons. Those ITAR regs are a pain

According to this screencap of a youtube movie, this is how I hold my rifle:

 

[Satain]

Yeah I just hit it with a radial arm saw. Came out pretty nice. I never, ever used it as a vertical "grip" so it makes more sense as is. The advantage over rail mount handstops and even the impact weapon components handstop is that the MOE grip blends perfectly into the handguard...there's no "step" to bite into your hand. If you have big hands I guess it doesn't make that much of a difference, but even my wife has longer fingers than me haha.

I actually live in Arizona now, so I just ordered the mount and slot flashlight holder and QD sling swivel direct from impact weapons. Those ITAR regs are a pain

According to this screencap of a youtube movie, this is how I hold my rifle:

Just a quick question?
Why didn't you get these instead of chopping your MOE?

 

[aspect]

I did actually check out the Larue and almost ordered one, but...

1) I already had the MOE
2) The MOE attaches directly to the handgrip with no rail, so there is a really smooth transition between handstop and handguard surface, as you can see in the first better quality pic of my rifle. Also, adding a rail makes the handguard larger, and you can probably see that my hands are pretty small. The MOE handguard is just the right diameter as-is.
3) I like the more rounded shape of the MOE on the sides...you can probably see in that pic that I don't put my hand entirely 90 degrees to the barrel axis. The flatter surface handstops are less conducive to this style of hold.

It's really a personal preference though. Depends on how you angle your hand, how you apply pressure, how big your hands are, how long your arms are, etc. It would also be pretty easy to drill some holes in the Larue (or other similar ones) and attach it directly to the MOE handguard (or a normal AR handguard) with a couple bolts to get a similar flush mount.