Sierra C.O.L.

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Just got a batch of 150gr Sierra Matchkings .308 caliber. The reload manuals i have (Lyman, Hornady) don't list the 150gr Sierras C.O.L. specifically for .308 Winchester. Somewhere between 2.735" and 2.80", Just want to know what the Sierra book says for certain.

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The COL listed in any manual is irrelevant, unless the data in the manual was developed with your particular rifle. The throat lengths vary from rifle to rifle, as does the distance from the lands that produces the best accuracy in various rifles.
 
Thanks 604. Nice link.

SJ- Just reloading an M305 for plinking, I'm not getting to indepth with the throat measurements and distance to the lands. Just needed a better starting point than the measurements i mentioned earlier to load for this particular bullet.

Now to ladder up an accurate load.

Cheers
 
i know its not what you asked.. but chances are with a facotry chamber, if your COL fits in your mag and feeds its good enought

every manual COL is an arbitrary number that will fit and feed in every mag and chamber in every production rifle
 
i know its not what you asked.. but chances are with a facotry chamber, if your COL fits in your mag and feeds its good enought

every manual COL is an arbitrary number that will fit and feed in every mag and chamber in every production rifle

I've heard about using the magazine length for C.O.L. measurement. But as a newbie to reloading, I'm sticking to the books for my info until i get more comfortable with the process. My main concern would be the chamber pressures and i don't have access to a cronograph or software to be able to work up loads based on muzzle velocities and calculated pressures. So far i've just laddering my charges based between the min and max to get my most accurate with the cartridge specs listed in the manuals.

Maybe the wifey will be kind to me for Christmas this year. Lol.

Cheers
 
I've heard about using the magazine length for C.O.L. measurement. But as a newbie to reloading, I'm sticking to the books for my info until i get more comfortable with the process. My main concern would be the chamber pressures and i don't have access to a cronograph or software to be able to work up loads based on muzzle velocities and calculated pressures. So far i've just laddering my charges based between the min and max to get my most accurate with the cartridge specs listed in the manuals.

Maybe the wifey will be kind to me for Christmas this year. Lol.

Cheers

understandable, better safe then sorry, just a little note, chances are that your mags longer then the coal in the book, in whch case u will actually drop chamber pressures

on the plus sides, chronos are then expensive :D
 
@90yjgimp, if you are feeding them from a magazine then you should not load them "too long" ("too long" means that they won't fit in the magazine at all, or if they do that they might catch up or jam).

There is a standard "maximum COAL" defined for the .308 Win. That number is 2.800". If a .308 rifle magazine won't accept a piece of ammo loaded to 2.800", then it is the rifle that is out of spec not the ammo.

BTW an M305/M14 rifle will absolutely take a 2.800" round (that's where this number came from in fact!)

When loading for your M305, you should load your bullets to 2.775"-2.800" (usually it's not terribly critical), unless you have a good reason to do otherwise. A couple I can think of:

- if you are shooting military style 144 or 147FMJBTs that have a cannelure (crimp groove), you might want to set the bullet seating depth so that the case mouth aligns with the cannelure so you can crimp the case mouth. This is usually not considered necessary but oftentimes a reloader will want to do this, following a sort of belt-and-suspenders logic.

- if you want to play with precision 600 yard slowfire ammo (a la the Yanks), you might consider loading to quite a bit longer than 2.800" (in which case the ammo won't fit in the magazine) and single-loading each round. Unless you have an all-out custom tuned rifle this probably won't buy you a stitch of improvement though.


Take care to make sure your brass is in good shape, your primer pockets are snug and the primers fully seated (below flush). Use mild to medium loads of "the usual suspects" of powders (H4895 and W748 class). Keep your bullets at 2.775"-2.800", tune the load (if you care to) by trying out different powder charges.

Most accuracy potential probably lies in tuning up the rifle before tuning the ammo beyond the starting point of using a good bullet (which you are doing) seated to magazine length with a sensible charge of a standard powder. Look up "Hungry's M14 clinics" and consider attending one....?
 
I will keep an eye out for clinics around my area.

I have heard about using the magazine length as a measurement for C.O.L. from this site and M14TFL.

I have loaded cannelured rounds (150gr Hornady SST/ 168gr Barnes TSX) without a crimp based on info I've found on both sites. Good results with the Hornadys and still have to ladder test the Barnes. These bullets will be for Hunting season.

I will probably be taking my hand press and other items to the range with me so i can confirm the most accurate powder charge.

Cheers
 
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