CZ-75 Pre-B fans out there?

I owned a CZ 75 pre B for 10+ years, sold it and don't regret it one bit.
The gun (1988 production with matte blueing) was marginally accurate and fit and finish was sloppy at best

Today I own several CZ 75 B, the fit and finish is much, much better and they are way more accurate as well.

No regrets...
 
One of my first center fire handguns purchased way back in 1986 and still remains one of my favorites.

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Liked it so much bought a updated model a couple years ago to keep it company.

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One of the reasons for the trigger pull on the late 80's pre-B's is that the factory used a beryllium copper (self lubricating) bearing material in the trigger group. My first full sized 9mm (registered to me) was a pre-B CZ85, I had a lovely 32 round mag for it, along with 2 stock mags. A great pistol for less than $500.
 
Pre B CZ 75

I've had a couple different ones back in the day. Really liked 'em.

Only sold my last one after picking up a BHP MKIII.

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NAA.
 
I owned a CZ 75 pre B for 10+ years, sold it and don't regret it one bit.
The gun (1988 production with matte blueing) was marginally accurate and fit and finish was sloppy at best

Today I own several CZ 75 B, the fit and finish is much, much better and they are way more accurate as well.

No regrets...

this seems to be the exception to the rule. Other than the finish part, it is prone to chipping. Everyone else seems to really enjoy these old work horses....

I also love the look of the Pre-B :) the new 'B; models are very ###y as well though.... will just have to own both one day......
 
Wow! very nice man! That holster looks pro! I can't wait for my Pre-B to get here!! Ships out tomorrow. Yee Haw!!!

p.s. was up in Squamton yesterday shooting for 5 hours, then dove into the icey river.... I love it up there :)


I got my own pre-b 75 almost two years ago now at the local big annual swap meet here in Chilliwack. I've used it for IDPA and general plinking for all that time and it's truly a sweet gun. It ain't going anywhere any time soon. I even made a holster for it to use in IDPA. The holster is working out very nicley as well. Obviously the picture was taken before I cut the belt slots in the wings. It's worn OWB on a doubled nice and stiff leather belt that I also made to go with this holster and other types where the rules of any given organization do not allow me to use the two piece velcro style belt. The "smudges" on the gun are me blanking out the serial number.

The gun came to me with an older style of what almost seems like parkerizing on it rather than the new black finish. It's a bit "bright" along some of the sharper lines from holster wear from both me as well as the previous owner.

The neat thing is that they come stock with the same action as the much complimented Shadow.



Wow! very nice man! That holster looks pro! I can't wait for my Pre-B to get here!! Ships out tomorrow. Yee Haw!!!

p.s. was up in Squamton yesterday shooting for 5 hours, then dove into the icey river.... I love it up there :)
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Arty, just so you know that holster was my first semi serious leather craft project. It's really not that hard to learn and do if you're handy at any number of building crafts of other sorts. If you want one of your own then go for it.

I traced around the pistol to produce the pocket leaving about a 3/8 margin of leather to the stitch lines then just blended a nice rounding so there would be no obvious "wings" to catch the gun and get soft later on. The leather was marked out for cutting and stitch lines using the star wheel stitch marker as a "tracer" through the plans right onto the leather. The two pieces were cut and glued to join them through the wing's area with contact cement. Then I used a groover to make the stitching grooves so they would be under the leathers surface. Then a marking wheel to lay out the stitch points, punched the holes with a leather punch then hand stitched using two needles. It was all time consumning and boring but not really that difficult. The only tricky part being to get the groover lines nice and even. But 5 minutes of practice on the scraps will soon sharpen up your hand for this. After that marking and punching is easy and just plain time consumning.

The trick when it's all stitched is to bag your gun in a fairly heavy and sturdy plastic bag. I think I found that the BCLCB bag worked well. Then run the leather under really hot tap water for about a minute. From there while it's still warm jam the pistol down into the pocket and work it into position to stretch the leather. The area around the trigger will need a couple of blocks of stiff foam rubber and small patches of scrap plywood or similar to force the leather to stretch down into the guard like mine did. It'll take some extra time to dry due to blocking the leather this way so be prepared to be patient. I locked mine away for a couple of days to let it dry fully.

To make a holster of this sort you'll need the following;

  • Heavy leather about 2.5 to 3.0mm thick. I can't remember the right name for the "weight grade" used by the industry.
  • A good knife to cut the leather. A heavy duty box cutter/drywall knife works well.
  • Leatherworking grooving tool, stitch marking wheel tool, single point diamond shaped stitch punch tool, waxed cotton "sinew" leather thread, leather sewing needles, leather dye, hole punch.
  • Contact cement to glue the wings together before stitching.
  • Medium and fine sandpaper and a burnishing tool to finish the edges.

The leather punch is to punch the holes at the ends of the belt slots before doing the straight cuts.

When it's done between the hot water and the leather dye the leather will have a tough and stiff nature. DO NOT OIL the leather or you'll make it go soft and supple. That's the very last thing you want for a holster. Instead just wax it with a good non coloured shoe wax or boot grease/wax. It'll both lubricate the leather and protect it while not making it go soft. Wax both the inside and out. Re-wax about once a year or as needed depending on if you shoot in rainy day matches where it gets wet fairly often. When you notice it soaking up water or getting water stained it's time to re-wax.
 
wow man! thank you for taking the time to write all that down! very helpful indeed.

I think I just may need to make one of these w:h:

Will be a while from now I'm sure, but if I make one I'll send you a pic.

thanks again,
Trev


Arty, just so you know that holster was my first semi serious leather craft project. It's really not that hard to learn and do if you're handy at any number of building crafts of other sorts. If you want one of your own then go for it.

I traced around the pistol to produce the pocket leaving about a 3/8 margin of leather to the stitch lines then just blended a nice rounding so there would be no obvious "wings" to catch the gun and get soft later on. The leather was marked out for cutting and stitch lines using the star wheel stitch marker as a "tracer" through the plans right onto the leather. The two pieces were cut and glued to join them through the wing's area with contact cement. Then I used a groover to make the stitching grooves so they would be under the leathers surface. Then a marking wheel to lay out the stitch points, punched the holes with a leather punch then hand stitched using two needles. It was all time consumning and boring but not really that difficult. The only tricky part being to get the groover lines nice and even. But 5 minutes of practice on the scraps will soon sharpen up your hand for this. After that marking and punching is easy and just plain time consumning.

The trick when it's all stitched is to bag your gun in a fairly heavy and sturdy plastic bag. I think I found that the BCLCB bag worked well. Then run the leather under really hot tap water for about a minute. From there while it's still warm jam the pistol down into the pocket and work it into position to stretch the leather. The area around the trigger will need a couple of blocks of stiff foam rubber and small patches of scrap plywood or similar to force the leather to stretch down into the guard like mine did. It'll take some extra time to dry due to blocking the leather this way so be prepared to be patient. I locked mine away for a couple of days to let it dry fully.

To make a holster of this sort you'll need the following;

  • Heavy leather about 2.5 to 3.0mm thick. I can't remember the right name for the "weight grade" used by the industry.
  • A good knife to cut the leather. A heavy duty box cutter/drywall knife works well.
  • Leatherworking grooving tool, stitch marking wheel tool, single point diamond shaped stitch punch tool, waxed cotton "sinew" leather thread, leather sewing needles, leather dye, hole punch.
  • Contact cement to glue the wings together before stitching.
  • Medium and fine sandpaper and a burnishing tool to finish the edges.

The leather punch is to punch the holes at the ends of the belt slots before doing the straight cuts.

When it's done between the hot water and the leather dye the leather will have a tough and stiff nature. DO NOT OIL the leather or you'll make it go soft and supple. That's the very last thing you want for a holster. Instead just wax it with a good non coloured shoe wax or boot grease/wax. It'll both lubricate the leather and protect it while not making it go soft. Wax both the inside and out. Re-wax about once a year or as needed depending on if you shoot in rainy day matches where it gets wet fairly often. When you notice it soaking up water or getting water stained it's time to re-wax.
 
PM me when you do and I'll trace around the shape and draw it up if you like. That way you can look at and match the cant angle I built into mine.

The ONLY thing I dislike about my own 75 is the light plastic grips. They get slippery real quick when it's warm and my hands get a bit sweaty. I'm looking to replace them with the rubber grips from the Shadow because they maintain their stickyness even when quite sweaty.

Wood grips would be lovely. But I have to keep remembering that my CZ's are first and foremost tools for my sport shooting. So function trumps form as much as I'd like to have some rich looking cocobolo grips sticking out of my custom holster.
 
If you're looking for a good quality Kydex holster for a CZ75B, check out Raven Concealment, they do make their holsters for the CZ75B and the CZ52 (who knew) and I'm sure if asked they'd make one for a Pre-B
 
Let me play!
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cZ box.

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Inside the box. The tools are there somewhere.

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And finally the pistol. How did that 1911 magazine get in there?
 
I've got a '91 PreB...the thing is a tank! It has taken MUCH punishment over the years (it shows in places) and has never failed. It is quite the trooper. With that being said I'm not a big fan of its looks. I like to think of it as the reliable ugly sister. Gets the job done but you won't take it to the prom...
 
I guess I must be in the minority but I actually prefer the looks of my plain Jane 75 to the "clunky" look of my Shadow.

Mind you I can't see the useless rail and clunky square dust cover when I'm shooting.... :D
 
:) I feel the same way! I am just not a huge fan of the Shadow look... I prefer the Pre-B or B models.... they just look like guns, nothing more, nothing less.

And thank you so much for the offer, I guess I better take you up on it. I will contact you some time in October when I get back from a rather long and awesome work trip my little island up the coast.

Cheers!!!



I guess I must be in the minority but I actually prefer the looks of my plain Jane 75 to the "clunky" look of my Shadow.

Mind you I can't see the useless rail and clunky square dust cover when I'm shooting.... :D
 
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