Norinco M305/M14
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you have to define "bigger"- they can do 2 minutes at 100 yards with the RIGHT ammo, or 4 or worse with the wrong- they're also HEAVY AS HECK for hunting and how much do you want to "refine" the rifle?- the only way to know for sure , like any rifle , is to grab some ammo and see how it groups-if you do buy one, forget the manual that comes with and download FM 23-8 off the net- pay special attention to the CLEANING AND GAS SYSTEMS- and keep your ammo to 168 grains and less- it's a LIFETIME commitement and your rifle is 'YOUR COMPANION 7 DAYS A WEEK, 24 HOURS A DAY- YOU WILL KEEP HER CLEAN, AND FEED HER PROPERLY" - i won't go into the rest of the speech, but i can still hear it in my mind, and that's been more than 30 years-so says the guy in the smokey the bear hat
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Dirt McGirt
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Lol is you fo real? they only be like 1000 posts on dis gun
Hi guys! Im thinking of buying one for hunting,these thing any good, accurate? Thanks!! ( i really want a semi auto 308 for hunting bigger game, my deer,wild boar rifle is a cz 858 in 7.62/39.
Yes, usually about 3 1/2" @100M with the cheapest 150gn ammo I can buy at Cdn Tire or Wally World. It's not light, but it's tough. I don't obsess about cleaning it like a 10K custom, it's a $450 battle rifle. Load, shoot, repeat. Clean the bore and brush with an oiled tooth brush. You can buy a Stevens 200 for less if you don't need a semi, but optics are extra, and the irons on the M305 do the job.
The only thing "wrong" with the M 14/305 is that it's heavy for walk and stalk hunting. If your bigger game hunting is done from a blind or tree stand, the M 14/305 is not a bad choice at all.
You'll want to get a good sling (the one it comes with is IMHO junk) and test the rifle with the ammo you want to use at the range.
I wouldn't recommend any ammo with bullet weights above 168 gr in a stock Norinco, simply because it's hard on the operating rod. If you get a stronger op rod spring however, it becomes a non issue. You can shoot 180 gr bullets, but I wouldn't use them extensively.
I've had some work done on mine (shorty package from M14 Doctor) just because I could. It was fine hunting before I had the work done, though.
Keep it clean, set the sights, and have fun.
Mods, maybe this should be in the Main Battle Rifles forum?
You'll want to get a good sling (the one it comes with is IMHO junk) and test the rifle with the ammo you want to use at the range.
I wouldn't recommend any ammo with bullet weights above 168 gr in a stock Norinco, simply because it's hard on the operating rod. If you get a stronger op rod spring however, it becomes a non issue. You can shoot 180 gr bullets, but I wouldn't use them extensively.
I've had some work done on mine (shorty package from M14 Doctor) just because I could. It was fine hunting before I had the work done, though.
Keep it clean, set the sights, and have fun.
Mods, maybe this should be in the Main Battle Rifles forum?
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yes, with 165/168s you can use it for MOOSE/elk/bear- that's why i wanted you to define "big" practise with the ammo you're going to use, not crap you got on sale- they shoot to different poa- look around and LISTEN to all the posts here and elsewhere on the net- esp to people like mystic, hungry, m14 doctor, and zediker- these guys probably have forgotten more than most folks remeber- i've got mine strung like an m60 for a reason, and those are PARADE sling loops that are on there- they are ok for fixing the over the shoulder sling, or the precison riifle m1907 sling, but no good for combat- i've got one loop on top of my buttstock and the other out the side on the forearm
Lol is you fo real? they only be like 1000 posts on dis gun
Overposted topics
M14/305 ammo
M14/305 accuracy
M14/305 won't cycle
M14/305 stocks
M14 vs M1a
It's like a massive effort is being made to keep the discussion of these rifles alive
I have many firearms including 3 M14 type rifles. For hunting they stay home and a nice Tikka Sako or Remington bolt action rifle comes for a walk with me. When bird hunting a Remington or Browning comes out not a street sweeper or Franchi Spas12. If more people on this site started with a bolt gun they would aquire better skills and knowledge more quickly. Why do people hunt with semi auto military rifles anyway? They can never be as accurate or reliable. Bolt guns are inherantly simpler to use and therefore safer. Why would anyone use a CZ858 to hunt anything?
Well, why would anyone use a muzzle loader for anything, answer: because they want to, and thank God we're not all the same.
I don't think an M14 is any more inherently unsafer or safe than any other gun. Safety is the responsibility of the operator. If you can safely drive a car you should be capable of handling a gun. If not put the gun and the car away. Most gun accidents are not the result of the action type but rather " I didn't think it was loaded syndrome."
I don't think an M14 is any more inherently unsafer or safe than any other gun. Safety is the responsibility of the operator. If you can safely drive a car you should be capable of handling a gun. If not put the gun and the car away. Most gun accidents are not the result of the action type but rather " I didn't think it was loaded syndrome."
well, the folks that have the most number of guns would disagree with you- the military- the bolts got lost somewhere in ww2 and they haven't looked back - and both REMINGTON and BROWNING make SEMIS- you "learn" the rifle you're going to use, and if the op prefers an 858 , that's his perogative; same as all the folks that use sks's - personally, i won't use one b/c the 7.62x39 is 1) an oddball bore diameter- .311, 2) it runs out of umph at the ranges where i shoot- 250 yards and up - 3) my animals are too big- even the 150 grain loading at 308 velocities is what i would consider "minimal" - one other point- lots of people consider the "fast second shot" necessary if the first one isn't placed right, and the semi negates having to MONKEY WITH THE RIFLE to get it off- i've seen folks that have buck fever so bad they can't work a bolt, pump, or anything else after they've pulled the trigger once- it's called frozen trigger
when i started shooting, there was no such thing as a bolt left handed rifle- that left only the pump, semi, and lever- while you CAN get a left handed bolt these days, they're STILL RARE BIRDS as far as the shooting community is concerned-and there's damned little resale value whereas a semi fir a righty can be used by a lefty and still is relatively easy to re-sell
I think I understand what you are trying to say.
Actually I think its very easy to make a case that a bolt action is safer than an autoloader particularily in the hands of someone who is buying his first"hunting rifle". The M14 rechambers a round without the benefit of a safety after its been fired. The bolt gun has to be manually cycled to be ready to shoot again.
After the new hunter shoots the ear or kneecap off his deer with his 1/2 moa Norinco he's going to panick a bit. He's got another in the chamber and he's got buck fever. Things happen. When he becomes a more experienced hunter and shooter things will be different. Then he'll choose a nice bolt, breech or lever rifle and try for one shot kills.
My father in law owns a very well known guide service in Ontario. Believe me people do dumb things when they get excited.
We walk before we run.
Well you are right, its his perogative. And anyone that's been around guns a long time won't tell you to buy a cheap chineesee semi auto GI knock off rifle to hunt with or as a first rifle.
The first shot will not be placed right thats practically a given. It would be best if the second shot was at least expected if not planned. I don't want anyone who can't cycle a bolt shooting anymore. That's exactly my point.
You are not Col Jeff Cooper sir and this is not the SOF 3 gun match. The guy wants to shoot a deer.
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...because it is accurate to the limits of the cartridge, it is light, it has good iron sights or can be scoped, it has good knock down power on reasonable sized game (read elk, deer, coyote...)....but most importantly it pisses off FUDDS like you....
I'll give you deer at 75 yds and coyotes at 150.
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yup, thats about it, i'd consider most rack grade m14s 150yard deer/elk guns, the guns accuracy, shooter skill, and bullet energy will determine reasonable range of the hunters setup....if my gun is a 2 moa shooter on the bench i would consider it a 4 moa shooter in the field
yup, thats about it, i'd consider most rack grade m14s 150yard deer/elk guns, the guns accuracy, shooter skill, and bullet energy will determine reasonable range of the hunters setup....if my gun is a 2 moa shooter on the bench i would consider it a 4 moa shooter in the field
For me I worry about our collective image.
I don't do camo on work days.
No Infidel sticker on truck window.
No folding stock Iron Curtain military rifles out amongst the solid farm folk of this province under the pretense of hunting. You go by with that pinned 30 rounder and you are not making any points for the firearms fraternity. That #### belongs at the range.
It's not that I don't think you should be able to keep a full auto rifle in your personal space. I do. The majority of our people don't understand that and we must portray ourselves as mainstream citizens which we are by and large. No attention is a good level for us. Be a good steward of this skill.
Seafury, you have a personal agenda. I would ask that you do not pretend to speak for the rest of us. You do not represent me, nor do I wish you to.
You are correct sir, I do have an agenda. You see I live in the city, not Prince George which I know of first hand. It has been very easy to see over the last 40 years how attitudes have changed in our society. My thought is we are best served by not brandishing our wepons but keeping a low profile.
Even the Government who imposed the current regulations on us were swayed more by appearance than function. If you come to the interview with matted long hair, a tatoo and plaque on your teeth you will fail to get the position. We need the public to see us in a positive way. They don't when we run through the woods with a headband and pinned 30's.
open forum my two bits
Apologizing for the use of our privileges is a slippery slope. I have used an M305 to hunt and am not the person you make me out to be. Perhaps you are not the savior of the firearms users that you seem to feel you are.
